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Old 16 October 2010, 09:54 AM
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Angry Iniquitous bailout!!!

I just saw this and I am disgusted.

Bailout

The tax payer is going to pay £1.5bn to customers, with no return, because Equitable Life were incompetent at managing their businesses!
Old 16 October 2010, 10:15 AM
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the argument is over a regulatory failure - not a business failure
Old 16 October 2010, 10:29 AM
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In the end of the day, its someones hard earned down the drain because of shyster bankers.

But as above, the travesty is that the financial regulators once again stood by and did nothing until it was far too late.

Also the people behind the pensions should be put in prison on fraud charges (if not already), as they clearly lied to customers about the investment's value.
Old 16 October 2010, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
In the end of the day, its someones hard earned down the drain because of shyster bankers.

But as above, the travesty is that the financial regulators once again stood by and did nothing until it was far too late.

Also the people behind the pensions should be put in prison on fraud charges (if not already), as they clearly lied to customers about the investment's value.
None of which will happen, once the money is handed over it will all go quiet and the shysters will cvontinue in theirt well-paid "profession"
Old 16 October 2010, 10:51 AM
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This spending review of Cameron's is shaping up to cost us more than it saves what with things like this and all the concessions he is making to the likes of the schools etc.
Old 16 October 2010, 11:08 AM
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Gotta love socialism.
Old 16 October 2010, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trout
I just saw this and I am disgusted.

Bailout

The tax payer is going to pay £1.5bn to customers, with no return, because Equitable Life were incompetent at managing their businesses!
I feel the same way!

Les
Old 16 October 2010, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the argument is over a regulatory failure - not a business failure
Oh - what happened then?
I know that when the government was encouraging people working in the NHS to take out AVC pensions, the pensions were set up through the NHS pensions agency with Equitable Life.
Maybe that has got something to do with it?

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Old 16 October 2010, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the argument is over a regulatory failure - not a business failure
Bollox. So now funds/banks aren't responsible for your money, the regulators are?

Absurd.
Old 16 October 2010, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
Oh - what happened then?
I know that when the government was encouraging people working in the NHS to take out AVC pensions, the pensions were set up through the NHS pensions agency with Equitable Life.
Maybe that has got something to do with it?
Equitable Life (in the 90's) were offering guaranteed investment returns that were literally "to good to be true" - most economic commentators said so at the time.

the arguement used by the people who lost money when the house of cards collaped is that Equitable Life were supposed to be regulated, hence the products should not have been sold in the first place - so they were failed by the regulators - (as well as Equitable Life)
Old 16 October 2010, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
This spending review of Cameron's is shaping up to cost us more than it saves what with things like this and all the concessions he is making to the likes of the schools etc.

I agree
Old 16 October 2010, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Gotta love socialism.
What has socialism got to do with this?
Old 16 October 2010, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
What has socialism got to do with this?
i though the same, but couldn't be bothered to post

my worry is that TDW is the sort of nutter that thinks Obama is a Communist/Socialist and this is all his fault
Old 16 October 2010, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the argument is over a regulatory failure - not a business failure
The legal argument may be - however HM Gov are paying out three times the amount recommended by the review.

Not all policies sold by EL were guaranteed - but it does go to show that a fool and their money were easily parted as the guaranteed get rich quick schemes are generally to good to be true!

The bottom line is that the business was run on a fraudulent basis.
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
In the end of the day, its someones hard earned down the drain because of shyster bankers.
Just as a point of order - bankers don't run insurance companies or pension funds - insurers do.

Different profession, different companies, different regulators...
Old 16 October 2010, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
i though the same, but couldn't be bothered to post

my worry is that TDW is the sort of nutter that thinks Obama is a Communist/Socialist and this is all his fault
You guys need to open your eyes. We're in an age of socialised losses and private profits. We don't exactly have the dictionary definition of socialism, but we live in a collectivist, mainly left-wing society. The subject matter of this thread is sheer corporatism.

So I guess TDW's post was a bit tongue in cheek.
Old 16 October 2010, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
What has socialism got to do with this?
Socialising the losses, saving people from failing.

How is that NOT socialism?
Old 16 October 2010, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trout
The bottom line is that the business was run on a fraudulent basis.
as it seems is most of the financial services industry
Old 16 October 2010, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
You guys need to open your eyes. We're in an age of socialised losses and private profits. We don't exactly have the dictionary definition of socialism, but we live in a collectivist, mainly left-wing society. The subject matter of this thread is sheer corporatism.

So I guess TDW's post was a bit tongue in cheek.
my eyes are open --- and your quite right that the financial burden of the economic crisis has hit the lower end of society hardest -- how that can be socialism is beyond me

in the last few years we have seen the biggest transfer of wealth (trillions and trillions of $'s) to the richest 10% of the worlds population
Old 16 October 2010, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
my eyes are open --- and your quite right that the financial burden of the economic crisis has hit the lower end of society hardest -- how that can be socialism is beyond me
Could be proof that socialism doesn't work maybe
Old 17 October 2010, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Socialising the losses, saving people from failing.

How is that NOT socialism?
Seems close enough to me.

Les
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