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So we had a knock on the door this morning from the lady 2 doors down saying her car was broken into last night and she was missing some things,could I have a look on my cctv to see if it caught anything.
So I scanned some random times and found the guy doing it so watched earlier on to see where he came from and in the space of 18 minutes he had literally tried every car on our street and made 7 successful break-in's.
He was using some sort of device to scan the car as I see it light up in front of him. I thought they had to be at your front door to scan your keys? He was not even near the house he literally just walked up to the back or side of the car and within less than 10 seconds he was in. Anybody know how this is possible being so far away from the house?
I've advised my neighbours to get a Faraday cage/bag for their keys,is there anything else they could have aswell?
the cars ranged from a little Toyota aygo,little peugeot 1007,an audi,a merc and I think a nissan people carrier type thing and 2 others.
Here's the little ****** outside my house after cleaning out my neighbours car.
That's quite scary. I doubt the range of the key would reach out to the cars in the street ? If not and there's some tech that can just pop open doors then all car parks are easy pickings.
Were they all keyless entry cars or just normal central locking ?
That's quite scary. I doubt the range of the key would reach out to the cars in the street ? If not and there's some tech that can just pop open doors then all car parks are easy pickings.
Were they all keyless entry cars or just normal central locking ?
i believe they were all keyless, there were a few cars he tried but couldnt get open, a ford galaxy,a jag and an audi a3 i think. it was how brazen he was about it, peoples security lights were coming on and all the street lights were on but he just kept going with no urgency at all.
It's sad to say, but at least he wasn't smashing windows.
yeah true, it was @ 2:30am ish which is annoying as myself and my mate were out the front @ 1:45 am after having a catch up,we were just waiting for his taxi,good job i didnt catch him to be fair because i would have ended up in trouble.
the police are a joke,they said that as there is no blood they wont come out unless loads of people report it so around 10 of us have reported it today. he didnt have gloves on so they could at least take prints off cars etc.
It's a prime reason why I moved; Gangs of two walking round, usually around 4:00am. Would get at least one 'visit' on the drive a week...at worst I had four 'visits' on the driveway over the one Christmas/new year.
Popped open our BMW twice...it wasn't keyless entry (only keyless start). So still not sure how they did it (keyless entry just uses a relay to extend the range of the key- quite well documented), mine was done differently; Whilst I don't have keyless entry. The car can be unlocked via BMW remote services which is a GSM (mobile phone) based system.
I had PIR sensor covering the drive switching 10,000 lumen floodlighting, with internal sounder in the house, coupled to seven 3MP cctv cameras to trigger recording (more reliable than the cameras own movement detection), and pings an alert to the smart phone.
Flood light scared most of them off...genuine 10,000 lumens (130watt Philips coreline)...it is that bright. But some would wait round the corner of the bridle path to see if anything happens then they return....to them have me shout "Oi f**k off you c**ts" from the bedroom window. One even said "sorry"
It's a prime reason why I moved; Gangs of two walking round, usually around 4:00am. Would get at least one 'visit' on the drive a week...at worst I had four 'visits' on the driveway over the one Christmas/new year.
Popped open our BMW twice...it wasn't keyless entry (only keyless start). So still not sure how they did it (keyless entry just uses a relay to extend the range of the key- quite well documented), mine was done differently; Whilst I don't have keyless entry. The car can be unlocked via BMW remote services which is a GSM (mobile phone) based system.
I had PIR sensor covering the drive switching 10,000 lumen floodlighting, with internal sounder in the house, coupled to seven 3MP cctv cameras to trigger recording (more reliable than the cameras own movement detection), and pings an alert to the smart phone.
Flood light scared most of them off...genuine 10,000 lumens (130watt Philips coreline)...it is that bright. But some would wait round the corner of the bridle path to see if anything happens then they return....to them have me shout "Oi f**k off you c**ts" from the bedroom window. One even said "sorry"
In my experience, police are only interested in easy jobs. And even then they just go through the motions rather than actually do anything useful.
Its not so much that - we tend to get directed to jobs where there are immediate threat, harm or risk to a person. So domestics, fights, missing persons, sudden deaths, public disorders etc etc. These will always trump inquisitive crimes such as this. We literally don't have the numbers on response to cover everything. We struggle to cover the first listed jobs - and everyone we lock up now has taken god knows what drugs, so have to go to A&E first, so that's another cop off the streets with them for hours.
SOCO as well have now been taken off us. It used to be 'The Forensic Science Service' but the government got rid of this some time ago. Its now a private company who can set their own prices. And as the police have had their funding cut, we only have limited amount of money. Hence we tend to use this money for crimes such as murders, dwelling burglary's, rape etc.
As a trained first responder to rapes, i know the amount of forensic samples I collect can be huge - yet the amount that we can afford to send away is tiny.
In this case if the lad has tried door handles to open the doors, you're knackered as we can't lift fingerprints of existing fingerprints. If the car has morning dew on it we're knackered or if the car has not been cleaned recently we are also knackered. The thing he is using to open the doors is an app on his phone - they can download it from several places on the net; they hold the phone near the car and 'bingo' - they don't need to go near the owners car keys on a lot of cars makes to make this happen.
Its not so much concentrating on the easy jobs, as domestics, missing from homes, fights, frauds - can be hugely complex and take vast amounts of time & effort to investigate - hence why there are no cops around - bare in mind that the vast majority of these jobs will remain with response to investigate
Its not so much that - we tend to get directed to jobs where there are immediate threat, harm or risk to a person. So domestics, fights, missing persons, sudden deaths, public disorders etc etc. These will always trump inquisitive crimes such as this. We literally don't have the numbers on response to cover everything. We struggle to cover the first listed jobs - and everyone we lock up now has taken god knows what drugs, so have to go to A&E first, so that's another cop off the streets with them for hours.
SOCO as well have now been taken off us. It used to be 'The Forensic Science Service' but the government got rid of this some time ago. Its now a private company who can set their own prices. And as the police have had their funding cut, we only have limited amount of money. Hence we tend to use this money for crimes such as murders, dwelling burglary's, rape etc.
As a trained first responder to rapes, i know the amount of forensic samples I collect can be huge - yet the amount that we can afford to send away is tiny.
In this case if the lad has tried door handles to open the doors, you're knackered as we can't lift fingerprints of existing fingerprints. If the car has morning dew on it we're knackered or if the car has not been cleaned recently we are also knackered. The thing he is using to open the doors is an app on his phone - they can download it from several places on the net; they hold the phone near the car and 'bingo' - they don't need to go near the owners car keys on a lot of cars makes to make this happen.
Its not so much concentrating on the easy jobs, as domestics, missing from homes, fights, frauds - can be hugely complex and take vast amounts of time & effort to investigate - hence why there are no cops around - bare in mind that the vast majority of these jobs will remain with response to investigate
thanks for taking the time to give us your side. I know the force is under pressure. You can't blame people now though for taking the law into their own hands though
Its not so much that - we tend to get directed to jobs where there are immediate threat, harm or risk to a person. So domestics, fights, missing persons, sudden deaths, public disorders etc etc. These will always trump inquisitive crimes such as this. We literally don't have the numbers on response to cover everything. We struggle to cover the first listed jobs - and everyone we lock up now has taken god knows what drugs, so have to go to A&E first, so that's another cop off the streets with them for hours.
SOCO as well have now been taken off us. It used to be 'The Forensic Science Service' but the government got rid of this some time ago. Its now a private company who can set their own prices. And as the police have had their funding cut, we only have limited amount of money. Hence we tend to use this money for crimes such as murders, dwelling burglary's, rape etc.
As a trained first responder to rapes, i know the amount of forensic samples I collect can be huge - yet the amount that we can afford to send away is tiny.
In this case if the lad has tried door handles to open the doors, you're knackered as we can't lift fingerprints of existing fingerprints. If the car has morning dew on it we're knackered or if the car has not been cleaned recently we are also knackered. The thing he is using to open the doors is an app on his phone - they can download it from several places on the net; they hold the phone near the car and 'bingo' - they don't need to go near the owners car keys on a lot of cars makes to make this happen.
Its not so much concentrating on the easy jobs, as domestics, missing from homes, fights, frauds - can be hugely complex and take vast amounts of time & effort to investigate - hence why there are no cops around - bare in mind that the vast majority of these jobs will remain with response to investigate
I can only go by what experiences I've had with them, and my opinion of them took a nose dive. I've friends are police, and family members of mine and the missus through generations so I used to stand up for them.
Yes i can understand some of what you are saying but how is it the Police can always turn up for so called hate crimes? These do not involve any of what you are stating as urgent but still the Police are knocking on the doors of people who post comments on the internet or social media.
I am not condoning such actions but this is at odds of the Police having "Important" crimes to address, Box ticking at its finest i believe.
Not all hate crimes get a response - most of the ones that filter through to us for investigation have only had a telephone report taken and then the investigation will continue 'slow time' - it might result in a knock on the door, but the response will not be immediate.
That being said, you have to take into account that the 'hate crime' may be part of another crime - controlling & coercive behaviour, CSE might fall into this where there are obvious risks to a child.
We have taken a nose dive - primarily from the cuts back in the days of Theresa May which we haven't recovered from - and now successive governments wanting more 'specialist departments' to be created from ever dwindling resources. And they will always take people from the response teams to staff these new departments which leaves the front line desperately short - resulting in the public losing out on a police response.
And another thing - these apps that are going round - there are certain new models of Fiestas which can be entered, started and driven off by the app
Invest in a physical steering lock!!!!
The thing he is using to open the doors is an app on his phone - they can download it from several places on the net; they hold the phone near the car and 'bingo' - they don't need to go near the owners car keys on a lot of cars makes to make this happen.
This is what was happening to me. On the CCTV they always made a bee line for the BMW, everything else was totally ignored as if they weren't even there (mostly VAGs of various ages and a E39 that can look like a M5 under darkness).
The only way round is to disconnect the aerial (under rear roof trim), but then that disables the vehicle tracking
"Their current thing I've seen posted on Social Media is a clampdown on EScooter use, nice and easy !"
This will have come from a 'local community meeting' or several such ones around the country
The locals usually want something done about - dog fouling, speeding and now the menace of e-scooters
What this usually results in that it is tasked to one cop on the local community team to try and do some problem solving around it
It wont draw anything from the response teams who will still have the same work loads
This is what was happening to me. On the CCTV they always made a bee line for the BMW, everything else was totally ignored as if they weren't even there (mostly VAGs of various ages and a E39 that can look like a M5 under darkness).
The only way round is to disconnect the aerial (under rear roof trim), but then that disables the vehicle tracking
I know there are these pandora/ghost immobilisers which are meant to be the dogs bollocks,I wonder if they can do anything to stop the unlocking of cars?
I live close to you. I don't use facebook much at all other than for marketplace, however I do look at local community groups sometimes and there are constantly people posting saying their cars have been broken into.
I'm lucky in that my back garden is my driveway, so all cars cannot be seen from the street unless someone climbs a fence.
I live close to you. I don't use facebook much at all other than for marketplace, however I do look at local community groups sometimes and there are constantly people posting saying their cars have been broken into.
I'm lucky in that my back garden is my driveway, so all cars cannot be seen from the street unless someone climbs a fence.
yeah it's really bad at the minute,time to ante-up I think.
The Fed's came last night and collected the footage,there was also a car stolen at the bottom of our street 2 weeks back.
I'm lying in wait this weekend with my night vision goggles and my happy-bat
Where there's a scheme there's a schemer - They will just develop another app
Everything is electronically controlled on modern cars. It doesn't really matter what exploits you update them to resist- this will always make them vulnerable to electronic attack.
You can buy cracked versions of dealership software that essentially lets you do anything. If the car thinks you're the dealership then making the encryption etc. better on the key makes no difference when you can simply program new ones.
Everything is electronically controlled on modern cars. It doesn't really matter what exploits you update them to resist- this will always make them vulnerable to electronic attack.
You can buy cracked versions of dealership software that essentially lets you do anything. If the car thinks you're the dealership then making the encryption etc. better on the key makes no difference when you can simply program new ones.
It's still far better to take what precautions you can, than deliberately take none at all.
About 10 years ago I was working on a loft conversion in Surrey and we had a delivery of materials turn up.
there was a vw golf in the way and after knocking on doors etc the delivery driver walked up to the car and just opened it got in and moved it.
I was almost thinking it was some kind of setup and asked the driver how he did it and he just said he had some kinda master key.
To this day I've no idea what he did or was upto.
23 May 2021, 04:33 PM
7 cars on my street broken into
