Petem95

If Juncker said all Remain voters should kill themselves in solidarity to the EU, I think you clowns would actually do it!

BMWhere?

Oh, the irony!

dpb

This is why we're in the position we're in. !

That 3 percent just couldn't be asked to fact check

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.w...1ed_story.html

Petem95

Yes good luck with that. The EU are likely pushing the Spainish government to quell this 'outbreak of democracy'.

Look at what happened in Greece in 2015. They allow the referendum to go ahead, but the result didn't go the way they wanted, so they pick it to pieces on technicalities and essentially claim it be illegal. Greece remains crippled econimically and trapped in the Euro/Eurozone.

What's ironic is some of you confused remain voters being all for the democratic vote for the Catalan region, despite being all anti-democracy with regards the BREXIT vote because that didn't go your way

For the record I have no bias on which way this vote pans out (if it even goes ahead), but clearly there is a strong desire for citizens to have this vote, so I believe it should go ahead, and the result should be respected whatever the outcome.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

"Whatever the outcome"?
You'll never get remainers to agree to that one Pete.

hodgy0_2

you Brexidiots bull**** so much - I suspect you don't even know you are doing it

it is a mental illness



"LETS GIVE THE NHS THE 350 MILLION WE SEND THE EU EVERY WEEK"

it did not suggest "why don't we" - it said - and I repeat

"LETS GIVE THE NHS THE 350 MILLION WE SEND THE EU EVERY WEEK"

you wonder why people are laughing at you idiots

Petem95

Oh, the most bitter remoaner on the forum makes an appearance Based on the tone and offensive nature of his comments towards those who don't share his views, probably back from smashing up some stuff at an Antifa rally or something.

You need to learn to respect democracy.

Petem95

Yeah it's pretty staggering the way some of these guys behave.

Makes you wonder how the 'losing team' in the Catalan vote will behave. I expect they'll be a lot more graceful in defeat, and won't act like spoilt children who've had their toys taken away.

hodgy0_2

interesting short video for the Austrian Schoolers and Goldies

hodgy0_2

thank you

your concerns are noted

neil-h

Oh give over, as if the Brexit mob were going to just roll over and let it die if they lost. Nigel Farage even went on record saying that if they lost it was a job unfinished and he'd be back to try again until the result went his way.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Hodgy:
I have no idea what part of the UK you are from, or even if English is your first language.

But back when I was at GRAMMAR SCHOOL, the expression "Let's" was a suggestion.

As in, "Let's go to cinemas".

It implied something you'd LIKE to do and was asking if others thought so too. Almost a question.

So your oft-repeated assertion that it means "We will..." is just plain wrong.

And I'm further afraid that your bitterness is leading you into peppering every post with insults. Time you argued properly and not on a personal level?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

HE did, yes. But that was UKIP's whole raison d'etre.

Not so those who voted out. We'd just have got on with it, just as we had to when the loonies elected Bliar again.....

Martin2005

LOL

You did nothing but whinge and whine when Blair was in power

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

And some of the things they got up to didn't merit it?

You continue to amaze me, Martin. Your personal attacks are almost on a par with Hodgy's.

Is it your bitterness in defeat that's making you have to be nasty in your posts?

Martin2005

OK I'll just ignore your blatant hypocrisy in future.

Petem95

When you try and have democracy in the EU...

Martin2005

Pete's EU Stormtroopers.

Petem95

The EU want a superstate, the absolute last thing they will want, or tolerate is separatist movements. The Spanish government is clearly acting in the EU interests/demands here.

While that's going on (and probably only a matter of time until the EU stormtroopers kill someone), more people are killed by having their throats slit or stabbed to death in the latest islamic terrorist attack in Europe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41461107

Martin2005

Utter feckin rubbish.

The Spanish government are the ones who've always opposed this. Bugger all to do with the EU.

Petem95

So the EU are happy for a separatist movement vote to go ahead are they?!..

They're all about a superstate, centralised government. It absolutely goes against what they're about. They'll be demanding the Spanish government stop this vote at all costs.

I guess you just blindly agree with everything the EU does and says, and you will not accept any criticism of the EU.

If this was occupied France in the early 40's you'd be all for continued occupation "we're stronger together" etc. You'd probably be reporting any resistance members to the ****'s.

Martin2005

I wish you'd stop telling me what I think.

Do you actually have any evidence of EU interference in this vote? Or you just making it up in a hope that it's true?

Petem95

Christ, do you ever think for yourself?! You really do have totally unwavering support for the EU don't you, it's staggering!

So do you think a separatist movement is in the EU's interests? It's totally against the ideal's of the project!! Of course they'll have influence on the actions of Spanish government! Are they going to do that publicly?! Obviously not!!!

You're clearly not stupid, but think!!!!

Martin2005

Again stop telling me what I think and provide something that supports your claim.
The Spanish government are vehemently opposed to and independent Catalonia, they don't need the EU to tell them anything.
So right back at you; do you really think things through, or just spout it if it fits with your neo-con view of the world?

Petem95

So as per usual you avoid answering the question! Well I've already answered it for you - of course the EU won't allow this to go ahead. Juncker has already said he considers the vote 'illegal' (obviously he would), and has warned against "separatist adventures".

Hardly a surprise that these heavy handed tactics have led to a surge in the predicted 'leave' vote;

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...n-independence

Martin2005

Petem95

You might knock some sense into yourself if you do it hard enough

Martin2005

No just frustration at you turning this into an EU story when it just isn't.

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

I'm interested to know how you assess the EU's role in the referendum for Scottish independence in this context. Were they against it? Were they involved in the process? Did they interfere in any way?

Petem95

Scotland is a different kettle of fish - the EU would potentially see this as winning back a region which will otherwise be leaving the EU, so they're more likely to be in favour. For the record I believe if enough people want that vote for independence, then it should go ahead, but I think focus on it has dwindled since oil prices collapsed, and I think they would choose to remain as part of the UK.

The Catalan vote is different as this throws up a whole host of issues for the EU. Other than it being totally against their ideals, it also raises the question of debt. Even if the Catalan region agreed to take on an equal cut of Spain's debt, based on GDP per capita, that would leave Spain struggling to pay their share, as they lose their most productive region. This would raise bond yields for Spanish debt, increase chances of default - you've got another European debt crisis on your hands before you know it. If they played hard ball and refused to take a cut of Spain's debt then you've got even worse problems.

This would also likely lead to other separatist movements gathering speed - Basque region (another productive area and 2.5m people), Flanders region etc. Again it goes against the EU ideals - they'll want these outbreaks of democracy crushing, but they'll want the host countries government to be the driver in this to protect face for the EU.

What are your views on the Catalan vote, do you believe they should have the chance for a democratic vote for independence?