So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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Indeed, it's like they forgot about the 40 years of bitching we had to endure until they finally got what they wanted.
I am convinced that if the EU survives, the UK will join again in the future. Future generations will look back on this and say "what the actual f*ck were they thinking?"
I am convinced that if the EU survives, the UK will join again in the future. Future generations will look back on this and say "what the actual f*ck were they thinking?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550
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The old codgers will soon die off and are continually replaced by younger voters with different opinions. Re-joining is inevitable, but sadly any future deal will never be as good as the one we have now!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550
There will be no referendum again for a generation or more. Government s will be scared of a result they don't expect. But the more important point is young people get older, wiser and will realise having a population control as well as being directly connected to their government with voting control
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There will be no referendum again for a generation or more. Government s will be scared of a result they don't expect. But the more important point is young people get older, wiser and will realise having a population control as well as being directly connected to their government with voting control
I'm sure they'll wise up and realise the massive national debt that's been handed down, as they sit in their ridiculously expensive rented properties, and will be truly grateful.
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There will be no referendum again for a generation or more. Government s will be scared of a result they don't expect. But the more important point is young people get older, wiser and will realise having a population control as well as being directly connected to their government with voting control
#3245
The old codgers will soon die off and are continually replaced by younger voters with different opinions. Re-joining is inevitable, but sadly any future deal will never be as good as the one we have now!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550
That graph makes sorry reading, basically the older generation screwed the younger generation. Stealing one's future has never been so true, disgraceful really. That said, I imagine there are a lot of young voters who couldn't be arsed to vote, so if you can't be bothered...............
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That graph makes sorry reading, basically the older generation screwed the younger generation. Stealing one's future has never been so true, disgraceful really. That said, I imagine there are a lot of young voters who couldn't be arsed to vote, so if you can't be bothered...............
Referendum aside, there is anyway a feeling that your vote doesn't really count in the UK due to the FPTP system which results in a two party system and the feeling of inability to really change anything. The referendum on AV was just as much of a fudge as the Brexit referendum. There was a clear desire for electoral reform and proportional representation in the country, but the public was only offered the AV system which would do little to alter the status-quo (its basically just FPTP+) and was duly rejected by the British public - Good so, if we'd have accepted AV, we'd have been stuck with it for many generations, by rejecting it, there is a greater chance of electoral reform sooner.
Andy is probably right that there is no chance of rejoining the EU for a Generation or more, there will always be the argument you need to give Brexit time before the benefits are seen. I don't see us rejoining within 10 or 15 years at the absolute earliest, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. The younger generation will remain angry that this was forced on them by the old, but it will take some time before that generation are in political control and can push for rejoining.
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Sadly, voter turnout for the younger generation has been bad for a long time. I blame the lack of basic political education in schools. For some it will be a case of not bothering, for others it will be a sense of fear for voting the wrong way because they don't really understand what they are voting for so they trust the older generations to vote for them.
Referendum aside, there is anyway a feeling that your vote doesn't really count in the UK due to the FPTP system which results in a two party system and the feeling of inability to really change anything. The referendum on AV was just as much of a fudge as the Brexit referendum. There was a clear desire for electoral reform and proportional representation in the country, but the public was only offered the AV system which would do little to alter the status-quo (its basically just FPTP+) and was duly rejected by the British public - Good so, if we'd have accepted AV, we'd have been stuck with it for many generations, by rejecting it, there is a greater chance of electoral reform sooner.
Andy is probably right that there is no chance of rejoining the EU for a Generation or more, there will always be the argument you need to give Brexit time before the benefits are seen. I don't see us rejoining within 10 or 15 years at the absolute earliest, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. The younger generation will remain angry that this was forced on them by the old, but it will take some time before that generation are in political control and can push for rejoining.
Referendum aside, there is anyway a feeling that your vote doesn't really count in the UK due to the FPTP system which results in a two party system and the feeling of inability to really change anything. The referendum on AV was just as much of a fudge as the Brexit referendum. There was a clear desire for electoral reform and proportional representation in the country, but the public was only offered the AV system which would do little to alter the status-quo (its basically just FPTP+) and was duly rejected by the British public - Good so, if we'd have accepted AV, we'd have been stuck with it for many generations, by rejecting it, there is a greater chance of electoral reform sooner.
Andy is probably right that there is no chance of rejoining the EU for a Generation or more, there will always be the argument you need to give Brexit time before the benefits are seen. I don't see us rejoining within 10 or 15 years at the absolute earliest, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. The younger generation will remain angry that this was forced on them by the old, but it will take some time before that generation are in political control and can push for rejoining.
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Speaking as an over-65 remainer, I'm getting a bit tired of the perception that it was "old" people who are responsible for us leaving. It's a misleading generalisation. The actual figures for over 65's was 40% remain, 60% leave, overall. If anyone wants to pin this on a particular age related demographic, the highest concentration of leave voters was in the 45-55 age group. As an aside, in my ward in Bristol, remain polled 85.6%, which is why some of us are having a hard time accepting the current shambles, and won't just roll over quietly.
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Speaking as an over-65 remainer, I'm getting a bit tired of the perception that it was "old" people who are responsible for us leaving. It's a misleading generalisation. The actual figures for over 65's was 40% remain, 60% leave, overall. If anyone wants to pin this on a particular age related demographic, the highest concentration of leave voters was in the 45-55 age group. As an aside, in my ward in Bristol, remain polled 85.6%, which is why some of us are having a hard time accepting the current shambles, and won't just roll over quietly.
The point is, you can never take an individual and say you're this age group or from this region so you must have voted this way, but taking the statistics as a whole, you can make relatively accurate statements about certain demographic groups as a whole. According to the statistics, the balance is around mid 40's for remain and leave. At 44 I'm around the statistical balance point and as much as I don't really want to admit it yet, I'm really in the demographic you could call the older generation!
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edit: On the other hand, the dirty looks could be due to the dribbling and farting.....
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Yes indeed they were, 60-40 as stated. But that's different to saying leavers were predominantly older generation, which seems to be the narrative in some quarters. Maybe I'm just fed up with getting dirty looks from bearded young hipsters when I'm trying to eat my smashed avocado on sourdough, served on a shovel, washed down with freshly squeezed umu-umu juice in my local eating establishment
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And this is the killer.....
So it would seem that although Brexit would be rejected by the majority now, the minority would probably carry enough vote to ensure it! What a crazy world we live in
However, only half of 18 to 24-year-olds said that they would be certain to vote in a second EU referendum, according to recent polls by Survation. This compares with 84% of those aged 65 and over.
So if there were another ballot, it is far from certain that young people would necessarily take the opportunity to register their distinctive views.
So if there were another ballot, it is far from certain that young people would necessarily take the opportunity to register their distinctive views.
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Another ardent brexiter , supporting the country as only an ardent ardent brexiter knows how
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...211.html%3famp
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It will be lovely just have those few back. We won't talk about lack of housing or jobs for the youth
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Thats right, where you could see your doctor that day, knew their name. Send your child to the local school without having to.move into catchment area. Drive around without queueing in traffic jams everywhere
It will be lovely just have those few back. We won't talk about lack of housing or jobs for the youth
It will be lovely just have those few back. We won't talk about lack of housing or jobs for the youth
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Pray with me brothers
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Amen
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Perth is extraordinarily beautiful. First it's so quiet compared to any UK or European citiy. There is hardly any traffic, which mainly are petrol vehicles. Pollution, airborne, I can't see it or taste it unlike any city, large town in the UK. Next is the cleanliness, Perth is spotless, everyone puts rubbish in the selected bins, even the kids and teenagers. The people are extremely friendly too, . Perth