BMWhere?

The old codgers will soon die off and are continually replaced by younger voters with different opinions. Re-joining is inevitable, but sadly any future deal will never be as good as the one we have now!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550

andy97

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There will be no referendum again for a generation or more. Government s will be scared of a result they don't expect. But the more important point is young people get older, wiser and will realise having a population control as well as being directly connected to their government with voting control

Martin2005

Alternatively, they get older a realise just how stitched-up they've been by the generations that went before them. They might start to wonder who's going to pay their pension too.

I'm sure they'll wise up and realise the massive national debt that's been handed down, as they sit in their ridiculously expensive rented properties, and will be truly grateful.

Mr Fuji

Mmmm, I don't think so! The older generation voted out because they are stuck in the past, the younger generation can see how good the EU is, wisdom had nothing to do with it.

Mr Fuji

That graph makes sorry reading, basically the older generation screwed the younger generation. Stealing one's future has never been so true, disgraceful really. That said, I imagine there are a lot of young voters who couldn't be arsed to vote, so if you can't be bothered...............

BMWhere?

Sadly, voter turnout for the younger generation has been bad for a long time. I blame the lack of basic political education in schools. For some it will be a case of not bothering, for others it will be a sense of fear for voting the wrong way because they don't really understand what they are voting for so they trust the older generations to vote for them.

Referendum aside, there is anyway a feeling that your vote doesn't really count in the UK due to the FPTP system which results in a two party system and the feeling of inability to really change anything. The referendum on AV was just as much of a fudge as the Brexit referendum. There was a clear desire for electoral reform and proportional representation in the country, but the public was only offered the AV system which would do little to alter the status-quo (its basically just FPTP+) and was duly rejected by the British public - Good so, if we'd have accepted AV, we'd have been stuck with it for many generations, by rejecting it, there is a greater chance of electoral reform sooner.

Andy is probably right that there is no chance of rejoining the EU for a Generation or more, there will always be the argument you need to give Brexit time before the benefits are seen. I don't see us rejoining within 10 or 15 years at the absolute earliest, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. The younger generation will remain angry that this was forced on them by the old, but it will take some time before that generation are in political control and can push for rejoining.

Martin2005

23rd June 2016 will be remember for a long time as the day that those with the least to gain screwed those with the most to lose.

Sad Weevil

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Speaking as an over-65 remainer, I'm getting a bit tired of the perception that it was "old" people who are responsible for us leaving. It's a misleading generalisation. The actual figures for over 65's was 40% remain, 60% leave, overall. If anyone wants to pin this on a particular age related demographic, the highest concentration of leave voters was in the 45-55 age group. As an aside, in my ward in Bristol, remain polled 85.6%, which is why some of us are having a hard time accepting the current shambles, and won't just roll over quietly.

BMWhere?

My parents are in their 80's and voted remain in an area that was predominantly leave. There are remain and leave voters in all age groups and there are remain and leave voters in all areas of the country and there was and always will be variation across the population. Polls and statistics can also be analysed and interpreted in different ways to give different results. The general consensus however, is that the older generation were predominantly leavers while younger people predominantly supported remain.

The point is, you can never take an individual and say you're this age group or from this region so you must have voted this way, but taking the statistics as a whole, you can make relatively accurate statements about certain demographic groups as a whole. According to the statistics, the balance is around mid 40's for remain and leave. At 44 I'm around the statistical balance point and as much as I don't really want to admit it yet, I'm really in the demographic you could call the older generation!

trails

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Sad Weevil

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Yes indeed they were, 60-40 as stated. But that's different to saying leavers were predominantly older generation, which seems to be the narrative in some quarters. Maybe I'm just fed up with getting dirty looks from bearded young hipsters when I'm trying to eat my smashed avocado on sourdough, served on a shovel, washed down with freshly squeezed umu-umu juice in my local eating establishment

edit: On the other hand, the dirty looks could be due to the dribbling and farting.....

trails

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Mr Fuji

And this is the killer.....

So it would seem that although Brexit would be rejected by the majority now, the minority would probably carry enough vote to ensure it! What a crazy world we live in

dpb

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andy97

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Thats right, where you could see your doctor that day, knew their name. Send your child to the local school without having to.move into catchment area. Drive around without queueing in traffic jams everywhere
It will be lovely just have those few back. We won't talk about lack of housing or jobs for the youth

andy97

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The remainer road show is venturing out of the capital, to guess where,








only cities that voted remain to convince voters they were wrong

markjmd

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There's really no need for the gurning smiley, we already know that you don't believe for a second that any of those things have the slightest bit to do with the EU.

andy97

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Over population, freedom of movement created by the EU, exploited by Tony Blair day 1 of its inception

dpb

markjmd

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Nothing to worry about. I hear Andy will be starting a nationwide elderly care business staffed exclusively by hard-working British youths and relatively less decrepit British retirees who want to top up their pensions. They'll all be more than happy to do the job for minimum-wage salaries, paid in a currency that'll be worth 25% less in 5 years time than it was in May 2016.

Pray with me brothers
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Blessed is the referendum, for it has saved us from the evil EU.
Amen

dpb

Well of course Andy can afford his own private filipino , no questions asked

andy97

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Currently in Australia, checking out various cities

dpb

Loyal to good ole blighty , right to the end

dpb

markjmd

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Quite understandable, I'm sure plenty of other loyal Brexiteers are doing the same thing.

andy97

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should be out in Australia for quite a few more weeks, will of visited all states, getting a feel for Australia

dazdavies

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It's a fantastic place. I lived there for a couple of years.
The points based visa system works incredibly well.

WA is by far the best state btw. Motorsport scene out there is pretty good too.

dpb

andy97

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Perth is extraordinarily beautiful. First it's so quiet compared to any UK or European citiy. There is hardly any traffic, which mainly are petrol vehicles. Pollution, airborne, I can't see it or taste it unlike any city, large town in the UK. Next is the cleanliness, Perth is spotless, everyone puts rubbish in the selected bins, even the kids and teenagers. The people are extremely friendly too, . Perth