dpb

And thatll be sometime in 2021 ,maybe

Martin2005

Well you're starting to change your position on this then.


You're going to have to move a lot more than that though

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nope. Been saying that all along.
somewhere on this thread I made reference to leaving a club/magazine subs etc.
That's what you do.
you DON'T pay for stuff you haven't had/won't have and you don't pay for the fact of leaving.

Has no-one else but me noticed that after theras's speech in firnze, the two she aimed it at were conspicuous by their silence, (Juncker, Barnier), and almost IMMEDIATELY, up pops the next puppet, MacRon-ald, to throw even more stalling tactics in the way?

Strange, huh?

Mr Fuji

So now you're admitting £350million was lie?

The absolute figure is irrelevant, it's what you get for your money. Plenty of people think it was worth it, others like yourself do not.

That is called opinion. Doesn't get away from the lie about £350 million,though, does it?

Martin2005

Well you're going to be more miserable than normal when this is all settled, although I suspect you'll 'adjust' your view on this again as things become clearer


Do don't seem to get the fact that the £20b that May has already conceded is money we will pay AFTER we leave the EU, it's not for club membership, we're already paying that.

Mr Fuji

I suppose it depends on whether the EU is committed to paying out to UK institutions until the end of the financial period it talks about. If so, then why why shouldn't we pay in? If not, then yes, I suppose that should be negotiated.

Of course, if you think of the EU as the UK's wife, then it makes perfect sense to give them loads of money in a divorce!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Of course it wasn't a lie. It was the gross figure.

Most folk, when quoting what they earn, quote the gross, not the nett or take home, don't they?

Your lot have still somehow disappeared the remaining £234million a week, though, haven't they?

markjmd

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I would humbly suggest that what the gentleman was in fact saying is that (incredible as this might sound) he genuinely doesn't understand whence the figure of £234 Million is derived

On that basis, I would also humbly suggest that a good proportion of those monies saved (whatever their actual value) be spent rather on the education system in this country than the NHS

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Proof?

She has said no such thing, to my knowledge.

Only that we will pay what we owe.

Mr Fuji

No, it's a lie. It said if we leave the EU, we will have £350million extra to spend on the NHS (or whatever, it doesn't matter).

What you earn is totally different, if someone said to you "how much do you have to spend each week", you wouldn't say "well, I earn £800 a week", because you don't have that to spend.

As for disappearing, who has disappeared anything? We simply pointed out that the figure of £350million is incorrect.

I'm not sure why you find this so difficult to understand.

Martin2005

Proof?


Just watch the News, read her speech, read a paper.


What did you think it was for?


Here the first article that comes up when you bother to look for the facts...


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1BW26H

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

The sign said that we give the EU £350 million a week. That's not a lie no matter how you spin it. Whether they give it back, or we withold part of it, we are commited to that spend.
It also SUGGESTED we spend it better.

THAT resounded with a whole load of voters...and why not?

Why give it to ex-communist states that hated us forty years ago, when we could spend it on our NHS, our pensioners, our service men and women???

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL at Martin. Have YOU read that article?

It says we will pay for something, NOT pay to leave which is what Barnier has been saying.
Get a grip, man.

Mr Fuji

Yet you think it's ok to make trade deals with countries whose resources we raped when they were part of our empire and resented us?

Here. have another double standard.

This is the problem with Brextieers, they live in the past. Can't forgive a country that hated us, or we hated, want a return to a time that simply cannot exist anymore.

You and your ilk are dinosaurs, you have robbed the youth of their future. Ironically, I also blame the youth for being too lazy to come out and vote

dpb

How did these put upon communist states , Hate us ??


I think youll find , including Yugoslavia , the very last thing they wanted was to hate us

Martin2005

It's the same thing!

dpb

Splintering down the middle as we speak

A protest vote at best of course

mrtheedge2u2

Wrong again, mate.

May offered 20 billion to allow us the extra 2 years. This 20 billion is in no way linked to the money the UK will have to pay for terminating their membership.

dpb

Don't know when they're coming or going these brexiteers

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nope, I'm afraid you have been misled by more remain lies.

What she's offered is to pay for extended membership for another two years.

What they are DEMANDING is a payment to leave. And far above what we'd pay if we stayed.
Yet none of you finds that single fact in any way disturbing?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Oh, we're going...and so are you, LOL

Mr Fuji

You've just agreed with what he said and then said he's been misled!

As for the actual 'divorce bill', no one knows what it is, so it's kind of difficult to say whether it's more or not. The press are not necessarily a good source for that figure......

coupe_20vt

iTrader: (2)

So you count the 'interim' membership after 2019 as not leaving? So you agree we'll pay the full whack up until 2021? I know that's a difficult question for you to get your head around, but go on, try and answerit.

And......

You do make me laugh. I imagine all the bile and rubbish you spout is down to the drugs you take or because you're a complete imbecile. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former.

You insult people without even knowing it. Then you post about your latest ailment and expect people to have any sympathy or understanding.

You're a sad old man. But at least you keep the majority of posters on here amused with the drivel you post.

I await your next thread telling us how poorly you are AGAIN. Suck it up, but most of all, man up!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

sorry? are you reading the same stuff I'm reading?

What HE said was that May had agreed a £20 billion divorce bill.
What SHE (and I), said is that we'll pay for two more years...During which time we get the same rights etc as the other poor saps.

It's a bit like agreeing that you will let your gym club membership continue two more years...while you find alternatives. but during that time, you'd expect to be able to use the club? yes?
What Barmier seems to want us to do is leave completely, but pay them £50 billion to do so. He's got not one chance in hell.

Quite right, but Barmier has let slip £50 billion on more than one occasion...

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

A bile-filled non-response filled with insults.
Not worth a reply, so this is all you'll get.

Unless you want to explain the utter twaddle in bold.

I NEVER knowingly insult someone...and by insult, I mean name-calling etc.

BMWhere?

The £350 million was an overstatement, but yes, when we leave, the money we contributed will be available for other things! Other things such as:

* Funding the new trade department in Whitehall
* Funding the additional customs and excise costs at the ports
* Maintaining farming and fishing subsidies that the EU paid
* Maintaining university subsidies that the EU paid
* Maintaining research grants that the EU paid
* Maintaining regional development funding that the EU paid
* Funding the unemployed as jobs go overseas
* Bailing out the economy after the post brexit crash (we already owe a load after stabilising the markets the week after the referendum!)

I doubt there will be much left over for the NHS or education!

As for what both Theresa May and David Davis have offered, that is £20 million for a 2 year transition period plus any other financial commitments we are legally obliged to pay. The second figure is open to negotiation, but don't be surprised if it end up around £30 million giving a total exit fee of around £50 million.

Inevitably, there will also be continued funding into the EU for things we want to remain part of, such as research projects and security funding.

No matter how much YOU don't want to pay them anything, the reality is, the government will agree to pay a significant sum to prevent us falling of the cliff edge come Brexit day! Unless you become a member of the cabinet in the next year, YOU have no say in what the government agrees to pay!

...unless of course the government offer a referendum on the final deal!

mrtheedge2u2

No, I did not say she agreed to a 20 billion divorce bill. The 20 billion she offered is the amount she would pay to stay in the EU till 2021. The divorce bill is a new matter altogether to the EU and this 20 billion is not part of it.

Just to make is simple for you: 20 billion and divorce bill are completely seperate.

Mr Fuji

He absolutely did not say that

Mr Fuji

So this is what we can expect in future trade deals, and this is from our closest ally and someone who has said he wants a good deal with us!

Make no mistake, countries will be out for themselves, and rightly so, because we will be. That means years of protracted negotiations whilst our economy suffers.

Welcome to Brexit It's what you voted for, enjoy it.......

alcazar

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Oh, I am.