So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
06 September 2017, 11:31 AM
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So you admit that your previous statement is not true! You have no idea what the vast majority want, but as long as you get your way then f*** everyone else! Very democratic! 
The public have never been asked what they want for post brexit while a weak government who bought their majority from the DUP with public money plough on in secrecy on an adjenda that nobody has voted for!
As for the long term being fantastic! Not if I have to give up my British passport to continue living in Germany as non EU members are not allowed dual nationality. It won't be fantastic for anyone who had been hoping to retire to warmer climates in Spain or maybe a nice French villa! It won't be fantastic for all the young people who will no longer be able to take Erasmus places and enjoy studying abroad. If won't be fantastic to the farmers that go out of business because they no longer get EU subsidies and can't find any seasonal workers. It won't be fantastic for all the people who loose their jobs and maybe their homes as the multi-national corporations they work for decide to move their offices and factories to within the EU. It won't be fantastic to all the people who can't get the medical care they need because all the foreign doctors and nurses have left the NHS because they no longer feel welcome in the UK.
But as long as you get what you want, then thats fine!
The public have never been asked what they want for post brexit while a weak government who bought their majority from the DUP with public money plough on in secrecy on an adjenda that nobody has voted for!
As for the long term being fantastic! Not if I have to give up my British passport to continue living in Germany as non EU members are not allowed dual nationality. It won't be fantastic for anyone who had been hoping to retire to warmer climates in Spain or maybe a nice French villa! It won't be fantastic for all the young people who will no longer be able to take Erasmus places and enjoy studying abroad. If won't be fantastic to the farmers that go out of business because they no longer get EU subsidies and can't find any seasonal workers. It won't be fantastic for all the people who loose their jobs and maybe their homes as the multi-national corporations they work for decide to move their offices and factories to within the EU. It won't be fantastic to all the people who can't get the medical care they need because all the foreign doctors and nurses have left the NHS because they no longer feel welcome in the UK.
But as long as you get what you want, then thats fine!
1. The vote WAS democratic. Get over it.
2. Why should the public be asked what we want/don't want? we aren't on just about everything else.
3. Do you WANT dual nationality? Do you have it now?
4. People retired to warmer climes BEFORE the EU, they add to the local economy. To say it will cease now is scremongering and silly.
5. People studied abroad before, why should it change?
6. Farmers? they will still get subsidies, always have, but without EU meddling.
7. Seasonal workers? Oh dear...who did THAT job before the Eastern europeans arrived?
8. How many have moved so far? And how many have decided to base their headquarters here?
9. Foreign doctors and nurses work here because they are better paid than in their home countries. Not because we welcome them. get real.
So much whining, so little reality......remoan to a T.
06 September 2017, 12:05 PM
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06 September 2017, 12:51 PM
#1445
Thats a typical Brexiteer response! You have no valid argument so you have to resort to shut up and accept it or stop whinging!
No I won't stop wailing because I don't want to see my country make the biggest mistake in its history! While some people in society may reluctantly accept Brexit, I will not!
No I won't stop wailing because I don't want to see my country make the biggest mistake in its history! While some people in society may reluctantly accept Brexit, I will not!
06 September 2017, 01:07 PM
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It's what we old hands call common sense
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7795591.html
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/1...ever-has-been/
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06 September 2017, 01:10 PM
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Is that a film of a Brexiteer regretting his decisions as he loses his job because his company moved to an EU country. They cut the text a bit short though, it continues: "Why are you crying... you voted for this ****!" 
Once again, you have no valid argument, so you attempt to belittle those who understand more than you do! A truly spectacular way to loose an argument
Once again, you have no valid argument, so you attempt to belittle those who understand more than you do! A truly spectacular way to loose an argument
06 September 2017, 01:20 PM
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How quickly are teaching/nursing /anything else going to be filled by Home grown
because from what iv seen its not competition thats the problem
essentially we'll need to import from rest of the world , where they get considerably less pay
Maybe jemery 888t will just get his cheque book out ?
because from what iv seen its not competition thats the problem
essentially we'll need to import from rest of the world , where they get considerably less pay
Maybe jemery 888t will just get his cheque book out ?
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06 September 2017, 01:24 PM
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Will be interesting to see of all the super-large firms that stay what sort of deals they have been given by the UK government i.e. multi-billion pound tax breaks or incentives to stay in the UK.
06 September 2017, 02:19 PM
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Is that a film of a Brexiteer regretting his decisions as he loses his job because his company moved to an EU country. They cut the text a bit short though, it continues: "Why are you crying... you voted for this ****!"
Once again, you have no valid argument, so you attempt to belittle those who understand more than you do! A truly spectacular way to loose an argument
Once again, you have no valid argument, so you attempt to belittle those who understand more than you do! A truly spectacular way to loose an argument
If you want to continue with your diatribe, then accept **** take coming your way
06 September 2017, 10:39 PM
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Not much of a democracy when both sides were lied to try and win votes!
Because we're supposed to be a democracy and this is a massive constitutional change that will have repercussions for generations to come!
No I don't have duel nationality. I'm not totally adverse to having dual nationality, maybe I would have taken dual nationality at some point without Brexit. But dual nationality probably isn't an option for me post Brexit. In Germany dual nationality is only permitted for EU members, non EU members have to give up their other nationalities. That means to stay here with the rights I currently have, I would have to give up my British nationality! Obviously, that's not something I want to do!
Yeah, those old people add so much to the local economy spending as little as possible and enjoying the free health care. The only immigrants who really contribute to the economy are younger people who are working and paying taxes!
They can still study abroad, but now they will have to pay through the nose for it instead of enjoying an Erasmus grant, which ultimately means far fewer will realisticly have the opportunity.
There is no chance they will get the level of subsidies they currently have from the EU, if they get anything at all. The government has offered no guaruntees. It may well even be forbidden by any trade deal we do with the US.
That's why the Europeans all came here, because no British were willing to do it any more! The same goes for cleaners and other low paid jobs that Brits feel over-entitled to do. But maybe those jobs can now be filled by all the over-educated graduates who will lose their jobs post Brexit.
https://www.verdict.co.uk/which-comp...use-of-brexit/
Any companies doing significant trade within the EU, particularly foreign companies who have opened factories in the UK as an access point to the EU (Nissan, Honda etc. jump straight out here) will have "worst case" plans now in place. The government has given no reassurance to these companies and all the talk so far is looking towards the worst case or near too it. Moving their operations out of the UK will be expensive for those companies, so they won't rush the decission or take it lightly, but at some point they have to take those decissions and the longer we go with no progress in the negotiations, then the companies will green light their plans and then there is probably no turning back for them. Job losses will follow!
That statement shows how little you understand migrants and their reasons for leaving! If it was only about the pay, why are so many now leaving and why have applications crashed! The NHS is already seeing the start of a personnel crisis, as if they weren't already massively understaffed. Two of my cousins are a Nurse and a surgeon in the NHS. One is now studying Law at the OU as a carreer change and the other is looking for a job in New Zealand health service. British people don't want to work for the NHS anymore and without the Europeans, there is noone left! But don't worry the yanks will soon be here to save us with their private healthcare!
What really grinds me, is how all the Brexiteers say how it may be a little harder in the short term, but it will be worth it in the long term! What do you think a little harder means? Yaeh, some people might have to loose their jobs, their homes, whatever, in the short term, but that's ok, my job's (probably) safe, so its an acceptable sacrifice so we can return to the wonderful times of the late 60's early 70's post empire Britain!
No I don't have duel nationality. I'm not totally adverse to having dual nationality, maybe I would have taken dual nationality at some point without Brexit. But dual nationality probably isn't an option for me post Brexit. In Germany dual nationality is only permitted for EU members, non EU members have to give up their other nationalities. That means to stay here with the rights I currently have, I would have to give up my British nationality! Obviously, that's not something I want to do!
They can still study abroad, but now they will have to pay through the nose for it instead of enjoying an Erasmus grant, which ultimately means far fewer will realisticly have the opportunity.
Any companies doing significant trade within the EU, particularly foreign companies who have opened factories in the UK as an access point to the EU (Nissan, Honda etc. jump straight out here) will have "worst case" plans now in place. The government has given no reassurance to these companies and all the talk so far is looking towards the worst case or near too it. Moving their operations out of the UK will be expensive for those companies, so they won't rush the decission or take it lightly, but at some point they have to take those decissions and the longer we go with no progress in the negotiations, then the companies will green light their plans and then there is probably no turning back for them. Job losses will follow!
What really grinds me, is how all the Brexiteers say how it may be a little harder in the short term, but it will be worth it in the long term! What do you think a little harder means? Yaeh, some people might have to loose their jobs, their homes, whatever, in the short term, but that's ok, my job's (probably) safe, so its an acceptable sacrifice so we can return to the wonderful times of the late 60's early 70's post empire Britain!
07 September 2017, 10:17 AM
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[QUOTE=BMWhere?;11964169]No I don't have duel nationality. I'm not totally adverse to having dual nationality, maybe I would have taken dual nationality at some point without Brexit. But dual nationality probably isn't an option for me post Brexit. In Germany dual nationality is only permitted for EU members, non EU members have to give up their other nationalities. That means to stay here with the rights I currently have, I would have to give up my British nationality! Obviously, that's not something I want to do
Of course the opposite is true! Germany has always forbidden dual nationality for its citizens. If your German and you take another nationality, you have to give up your German citizenship. If you take German nationality, you have to give up your other nationalities.
Its firstly thanks to the EU, that I can live here without needing to take German citizenship or apply for work or residency permits. Its also thanks to the EU that Germany now accepts dual nationality for other EU members, so I can now take German citizenship without giving up my British nationality. Once the UK leaves the EU, those rights will be gone and under German law, I would have to choose one or the other! Obviously, that's the German case, for Brits in other countries the rules may be different depending on their acceptance of dual nationalities.
Incidentally Mr Alcazar, as a property owner in France, according to the latest leaked documents, its looking like there will be a limit of three months for EU citizens travelling to the UK without permits and its almost certain the EU will impose the same restrictions on Brits travelling to EU countries. So if you want to visit your little Chateaux for longer than 3 months, then you're going to have to ask them nicely if you can come visit!
I don't know the rules in France. In Germany, you have to work for 6 months before you're entitled to any state benefits, before that the parents are responsible for any health or benefit costs of their children, regardless of age!
I also know in Spain there is a free state health care system which the retired Brits there are entitled to - My sisters father-in-law is retired in Spain and currently enjoying exactly those benefits after he was knocked of his bike recently!
That's why the press make such a fuss about immigrants in the UK using the NHS for free. As long as the NHS is free for us, it has to be free for other EU citizens. If we had mandatory private health insurance, then so would the EU citizens. What we also do in the UK is offer free health care to non EU immigrants, but that's our own choice as one of the founding principles of the NHS and nothing to do with the EU!
The other benefit on EU membership is also for non-residents travelling in another EU country. Thanks to the EU health card, you're entitled to the same level of health care in a member state as you're entitled to in your home country. Once we leave the EU, then everyone travelling to the EU will need private health insurance, even for emergency cover!
07 September 2017, 01:00 PM
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But at least I try to get it right, which is more than can be said for most people on here!
07 September 2017, 01:43 PM
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Sorry, I'm mildly dyslexic so my spelling has always been very bad. I try hard to avoid mistakes, but sometimes I get it wrong. Differentiating words like 'lose' and 'loose' are very difficult for me as the spelling checker doesn't catch them But at least I try to get it right, which is more than can be said for most people on here!
But at least I try to get it right, which is more than can be said for most people on here!
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08 September 2017, 04:48 AM
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I second that BMWhere. Very nice work!
At some point Britain will wake up to the fact that there are many smarter ways to try to reduce immigration than totally fooking up our economy with Brexit.
Many are starting to realise this already so now it looks like we might be staying in the single market for the three or more years of the 'transition period'.
We going to grind Brexit down. Step by step by step.
08 September 2017, 09:51 AM
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08 September 2017, 09:54 AM
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