So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
20 May 2019, 01:09 PM
#4744
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more dodgy funding for Farage and the Brexit party....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48337499
He has so much faith in Brexit being a success, he has no intention of sticking around to live with the consequences - just like James Dyson! Rees-Mogg might actually stick around after Brexit, but he's moved all his money off-shore just in case!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48337499
During his speech, Gordon Brown also attacked Nigel Farage for receiving £450,000 from Leave campaigner Aaron Banks while still a member of the European Parliament.
However, Mr Farage has said he did not declare it to the European Parliament because he was about to leave politics and had been seeking a new life in the US.
However, Mr Farage has said he did not declare it to the European Parliament because he was about to leave politics and had been seeking a new life in the US.
20 May 2019, 03:26 PM
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more dodgy funding for Farage and the Brexit party....
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48337499
He has so much faith in Brexit being a success, he has no intention of sticking around to live with the consequences - just like James Dyson! Rees-Mogg might actually stick around after Brexit, but he's moved all his money off-shore just in case!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48337499
He has so much faith in Brexit being a success, he has no intention of sticking around to live with the consequences - just like James Dyson! Rees-Mogg might actually stick around after Brexit, but he's moved all his money off-shore just in case!
Milkshake vs Nige...
20 May 2019, 09:21 PM
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I don't give a dam what some two face politician says. I don't need to look beyond what someone says on telly, i have the result of a real world vote. A Vote where the majority chose to leave the EU, and before you say no they didn't. Yes they did, some people chose to vote to leave, some chose to vote to remain, some chose not to vote at all, which was their right, yet you seem to want to vote for them.
By majority of vote, we voted to leave. you can't argue with that as it is a fact.
One of the few that both sides can't argue or spin, yet the remainers seem to try to because they didn't like the result.
By majority of vote, we voted to leave. you can't argue with that as it is a fact.
One of the few that both sides can't argue or spin, yet the remainers seem to try to because they didn't like the result.
Tidgy the flaw with that result was it was in or out full stop......in we already knew what was there.......out we were not told what it was ,how it was going to look like and the divorce details all we got was a load of bull**** about the next week we were going to get so many millions per week which would pay for new hospitals etc etc.Now that we sort of know whats out there its a minefield and I do feel sorry for our country now,that tw*t Cameron should hold his head in shame FYI I didnt want to leave as its better the devil you know than whats hiding round the corner its opened a huge can of worms that will take decades to sort out.
20 May 2019, 09:40 PM
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I don't give a dam what some two face politician says. I don't need to look beyond what someone says on telly, i have the result of a real world vote. A Vote where the majority chose to leave the EU, and before you say no they didn't. Yes they did, some people chose to vote to leave, some chose to vote to remain, some chose not to vote at all, which was their right, yet you seem to want to vote for them.
By majority of vote, we voted to leave. you can't argue with that as it is a fact.
One of the few that both sides can't argue or spin, yet the remainers seem to try to because they didn't like the result.
By majority of vote, we voted to leave. you can't argue with that as it is a fact.
One of the few that both sides can't argue or spin, yet the remainers seem to try to because they didn't like the result.
When I voted remain I knew exactly what I was voting for. It's not perfect but the potential alternatives appeared far worse.
I would like to understand the benefits as you see them...maybe I would vote leave if there is a second referendum.
21 May 2019, 11:19 AM
#4755
I do think that the Leave voted benefitted from the complacency of those who either thought we were safe, or just couldn't be bothered. Those who want change are far more likely to vote, but the result was no less fair than any other we had, in terms of result. Still a stupid decision!
21 May 2019, 11:54 AM
#4756
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The Brexit Party are going to absolutely walk this Euro Election - its not a case case of will they win, but by how big a majority!
Our local rural-ish small town did a poll on the town facebook page - results were over 80% Brexit Party.... (its normally a Tory Stronghold)
They have have the mood of the nation - and all the other parties really do not!
Our local rural-ish small town did a poll on the town facebook page - results were over 80% Brexit Party.... (its normally a Tory Stronghold)
They have have the mood of the nation - and all the other parties really do not!
21 May 2019, 12:44 PM
#4758
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The Brexit Party are going to absolutely walk this Euro Election - its not a case case of will they win, but by how big a majority!
Our local rural-ish small town did a poll on the town facebook page - results were over 80% Brexit Party.... (its normally a Tory Stronghold)
They have have the mood of the nation - and all the other parties really do not!
Our local rural-ish small town did a poll on the town facebook page - results were over 80% Brexit Party.... (its normally a Tory Stronghold)
They have have the mood of the nation - and all the other parties really do not!
My parents are blue blooded Tory voters but are also staunch remainers - they are not intending to vote because they don't want to vote for the Conservatives at the moment and refuse to vote for anyone else. I've told them that is essentially 1/2 a vote for the Brexit party, but they won't vote for anyone else!
To be honest, I'd rather they voted Conservative than not voting just to reduce the % of the vote for Farage.I really don't think the result will truly represent the mood of the people. Much will depend on the turnout which is typically very low for European elections with about 35%, which is why Farage was able to gain popularity in the first place as 100% of Farage supporters turn out. Turnout will undoubtedly be much higher this time, I can't remember a European election which got so much publicity in the past, but I doubt it will reach much over 50% simply as people are so turned off by politics and politicians at the moment. Farage supporters will of coarse still see a 100% turnout.
My personal feeling of the mood of the nation regarding Brexit is around 1/3 of the population are pro Brexit, 1/3 are pro remain and about 1/3 are somewhat on the fence torn between remaining being the best option and supporting the so called "will of the people" even though they know its a bad idea.
21 May 2019, 06:24 PM
#4759
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Very interesting breaking news!
May will resubmit the exit deal bill with a vote on the resulting deal to be subject to a referendum! She might just get it through this time!!!
May will resubmit the exit deal bill with a vote on the resulting deal to be subject to a referendum! She might just get it through this time!!!
21 May 2019, 10:41 PM
#4762
I'm not clear on this, it seems she is saying if they pass her bill, they will be allowed to vote on whether they have another referendum, but surely the house is so split they won't get a referendum through. Have I missed something?
22 May 2019, 02:54 PM
#4767
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They can get rid of TM and put a Brexiteer in charge, but it doesn't change the figures in parliament, they still have a minority government and a majority of MPs who support remain and will continue to rebel against the whip. The only ways forward are either a general election or a peoples vote with some definite choices about what Brexit means.
22 May 2019, 03:04 PM
#4768
They can get rid of TM and put a Brexiteer in charge, but it doesn't change the figures in parliament, they still have a minority government and a majority of MPs who support remain and will continue to rebel against the whip. The only ways forward are either a general election or a peoples vote with some definite choices about what Brexit means.
The other issue is that parliament are a representation of our country and even though they are massively split and won't come to a common agreement, if we throw them all out and replace every last one with new candidates who reflect the areas in which we live, do we think the split would be any different and the decision any easier to make? It won't, they will have exactly the same issues to face and impossible majority-less decisions.
So where are we? We are left with only one option, the country has spoken to leave, we need to leave. The only decision and agreement parliament need to make is to leave with the best deal possible, which unfortunately is somewhat out of our hands in this country. We have to take the EU deal as that is the ONLY deal available, bad or not. Leaving with no deal is not an option for our economy.
I really can't predict how this will turn out. It's madness.
22 May 2019, 03:05 PM
#4769
Brexit supporting PM doesn't need to do anything. No legislation, no mechanism to stop No deal. Summer recess, party conferences, a few pointless visits to the EU for a new deal discussions. Time out 31 October. France wont endorse further delay.
22 May 2019, 03:09 PM
#4770
I agree, at this point I can only see leaving with a deal (if agreed) and no deal as the only 2 outcomes. There will be little to nothing achieved between now and the end of October and they won't extend further. I'm confident we will be leaving at that point somehow.