dpb

Martin2005

which EU counties are you referring to? You do realise there are 27 of them most of whom we have a trade surplus with. All of them get to vote on any deal.

The irony of all this is that it's not the EU that ultimately decides on the deal, it's 27 sovereign nations and their democratic institutions.

dpb

As ever, in the back of every brexiters mind is the notion that the EU won't survive

And therefore members will be allowed cut their own deals

trails

iTrader: (41)

Wilful ignorance feels like the common denominator.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

All the armchair remainer economists here will have sweet fanny adams input on the final deal/no deal outcome. Your input influence was back in 2016. The majority of voters, voted to leave.

Parliament voted to have a referendum by majority, hold a referendum, voted to invoke article 50, passed the withdrawal bill.
So March 2019, the UK will of left the EU, with whatever deal/no deal that has been agreed in parliament.

Martin2005

Thanks for the update

dpb

Every brexiteers VE day including 50's throw back / empire wannabee - Mogg

slightly ironic that Churchill's offspring see it as a disaster

andy97

iTrader: (1)

You're welcome.

I was terribly worried that you're under some misconceived perception that you had any form of influence of matters going forward

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Oh come on, neither you or any other Brexiter give a flying **** what anyone else in the entire country thinks, let alone the faceless randoms you interact with on this site.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

No, I've been having sleepless nights about you remainers, endlessly having cyclic discussions without you seeing most of us have left the room.

Metaphorically, I see there is still a self help group of remainers when I pass the room

mrtheedge2u2

I am still waiting for your answer on this, Tidgy.

trails

iTrader: (41)

He is still working on explaining how the decline of the British car industry is linked to the EU.

Tidgy

o sorry, i was waiting for you to respond to mine about going and looking up what we sell them now, im guessing you havn't gone a looked.

I dont think anyone else has claimed we dont sell them things currently

Tidgy

no, its more a case of im waiting to see what will actualy happen before building my survival shelter like some seem to think is needed

o that and working without the need of the eu

trails

iTrader: (41)

Laugh it off then...I guess that's your only option.

mrtheedge2u2

Lol...what a sh1tty, childish answer......Trump must be your hero. Buying something from someone is one thing...…..but for that something to be worth a trade deal is another matter completely. So, what are your items that you think are worth the EU giving the UK a trade deal?

80% of the UK exports to the EU are services......but services will simply move if need be e.g. Financial services....big banks and trading houses will move to Frankfurt if needed and the EU know this so they will not need a trade deal to make sure these services are kept

Tidgy

i'm guessing your into conspiracy theorys then?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Right, so it looks like we can add neurotic and mentally fragile to the list of common traits of the typical Brexiter, alongside lower IQ and educational achievement. Can't say I'm all that surprised though, based on the form of some of the posters here.

Tidgy

Name calling is a sign of losing an argument so be careful.

so your saying we buy alot more from the EU than they do from us?

Tidgy

Glad to see you can accept someone can have a different opinion to you without spitting your dummy out and name calling, o wait,,,,,,

mrtheedge2u2

Didn't call you any names...… Jesus Christ do you read your responses before you hit reply? Saying an answer is **** is not the same as saying you are ****.

I am saying that 80% of exports are not physical, material items....they are services such as banking and information. Which can be very easily moved as the EU know that the banking houses will move if they need to. If the EU said all EU banking services now need to be run through an EU domain it would take about 42 seconds for the big service providers to start preparations to move.

dpb

Are you tied up in Nottz Tidgy

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-trade-deficit-eu/

trails

iTrader: (41)

Yes Tidgy, that exactly right. The big bad EU gonna come steal my money and immigrants take my job...how's that for a dumb-*** conspiracy theory?

Tidgy

o so now your saying we do have something to trade? trade can be anything, time, people, goods etc etc

So were not actualy dealing from a point of nothing to trade then?

Tidgy

well you seem to be the group that are convinced were going to stop all trade and the country is going to collapse and were doomed were doomed

Mr Fuji

Who has ever said we have nothing to trade?

Any overall detriment to trade will hurt us more then the EU.

mrtheedge2u2

Your reasoning is killer. Pretty much everything the UK has that the EU want can be moved to the EU. The EU know this so would not create a trade deal as the EU would not need a deal. They would just say "from now on all access to EU financial systems will go through Frankfurt" and then every big player would leave london for Frankfurt.

trails

iTrader: (41)

No, what I'm concerned about is we are leaving the EU for the wrong reason (immigration; our government control immigration policy not the EU) with no clear approach as to how we are going to trade outside the current agreements with have as part of the EU.

Tidgy

In all seriousness, i think alot of folks have had enough of the EU for various reasons. where we will be in 10 years time no one can tell you.

People are either over egging the up sides or the downsides depending on their perspective and the reality is i suspect things wont change much. I seem to remember last time i went to france i had to take and show a passport (going back a few years mind you)

What we do know is people trade with the EU without free trade agreements, borders work without free trade agreements or free movement agreements.

We import and export goods from all over the world so systems can be put in place that work.

There will be some short term turmoil, but i don't think long term it will change much.

dpb

Lots of countries trade with UK but it mainly arrives in containers lol

Cross channel lorry trade on the other hand ...omg