Settle our tab?

We settled that years ago, we've been a nett giver into the EU all our stay.
So WHAT tab??????????

And that doesn't even count the cost of having to defeat Germany TWICE in fifty years last century

 

I think the same can be said of the whole EU if the statement about 100 billion per month is true... not saying that it isn't as I've not looked into it.

 

Do you have a very short memory?!

Greece voted to default on their debts in 2015, with the knowledge that this would've possibly resulted in them being kicked out the EU. As the democratic vote didn't go the way the EU wanted, they overruled it.

Had Greece defaulted and returned to the Dracma their economy would have grown strongly since then. The currency would have been very weak initially meaning their economy could've been very compeitive, holidays to Greece would be very cheap and they would've been on the up. As it stands they're still stuck using the Euro and things in the big citiies like Athens are pretty bleak - but hey they're helping to weaken the Euro currency.

 

Yes. But I don't care.
Greece is in a bad state because it has serious structural problems within its economy and it falsified its entry papers to get into the EU. Not because it's in the EU.
But even Yanis Varoufakis thinks the UK is crazy to leave the EU and recognises that there is neither 'deal' nor EUtopia awaiting the UK outside of the EU.

Just (self-inflicted) pain.

SWS
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Assistant Deputy Secretary to the Sub-Lieutenant of the 2nd Vice-Presidency of
Continuity Remoan

 

He's no longer wealthy, his father lost a lot in one of the big stock market crashes, but he's well educated and doing pretty good for himself, home owner, good few quid in safe investments... well read and up to date on the subject of the EU... lives in Italy so knows 1st hand about how things are over there.... the economy is totally flat and has been for sometime.

I just found his point of view interesting and wondered what others thought as I've not really been paying much attention lately.

 

Presumably we are bound to meet our commitments, or are you saying we shouldn't honour them?


Per capita, we are actually one of the smaller net contributors to the EU.

 

interesting slant on it that graph.

But as far as what we should pay, we pay our agree'd commitments made to date, nothing beyond that. I heard something mentioned about paying for the relocation of bodies from the UK, um no, they can operate from here still no problem, if they choose to move then that's their look out and their bill, not ours.

 

Yes, and didn't you beat them at football in 1966 as well? At a tournament you paid to host? Perhaps you should put that in the chargeback column as well.

But you could always leave without paying and see how that works out.

And before you start banging on about WTO terms, how many of you fecking Brexiteers actually regularly import stuff from the US or Japan? I did until recently (£ collapsed) and from experience it's a proper butt-pain, lottery of delay. As well as the increased cost it's also the end of high efficiency 'just-in-time' processing.

Just what we need to add to the UK's already pitiful levels of efficiency, eh.


SWS
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Assistant Deputy Secretary to the Sub-Lieutenant of the 2nd Vice-Presidency of
Continuity Remoan

 

Bit silly, even for you sam

No, we pay our way until we leave, then we leave and that's all she wrote. no more.

I mean, seriously, you pay membership to a club at all? Gym? Magazine subs? CD Collectors? Book collectors?

And when you leave/cancel, do you then have to find £thousands to leave?
Because that's what you are suggesting isn't it?

No: you pay up to leaving date and walk away.

What the EU are doing is trying to a) punish us, b) make it obvious to others not to do the same, and c), try and encourage us to say, "Fukc it, we'll stay then"

Not gonna happen dude.

 

Martin: that graph is so skewed by population that it's worthless.

You know what they say about statistics, don't you?
Find the ACTUAL contributions, and actual takes, publish those, I dare you.

 

'fecking brexiters' - here you go, showing your true colours. If you can't come up with a decent argument you have to resort to name calling and shouting down your opponents.

'£ collapsed' The devaluation of the pound is a major boost to the UK economy. It means not only our our exports cheaper, but also imports increasing in cost means there is some inflation (something the EU has been struggling to generate).This boosts consumer spending (the main driver of GDP), as deflation results in people holding off purchases (exaclty why it's feared by central banks). This also encourages the purchase of locally produced goods, encourages people to holiday within the UK boosting the economy, and encourages foreigners to holiday in the UK (numbers are up hugely). The inflation is also eroding debt, so again in effect reducing debt levels.

This boost to the ecomomy is also allowing us to reduce government spending (just announced, UK government spending is down to the lowest levels since 2007). This comes just months after the first UK monthly surpluss in over a decade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...est-rate-hike/

If you do your own research, and do this for a job, then I certainly wouldn't buy any services from you, as you don't seem very good at it.

 

Ever tried cancelling your gym subscription mid term ?













No, cant imagine you have either

 

The only really meaningful way of looking at this is per capita, you just don't like it because it erodes the veracity of your argument

 

Wow, I guess Germany in the 20s was actually the place to be then.


Your are economically illiterate Pete


How is using the phrase 'feckin Brexiteers' any different to you constantly using 'liberal' in virtually every post?

 

*picks up toys and drops them back in Martin's pram*

How is the phrase 'fecking brexiters' any different to 'liberal' - are you really asking that?!

 

I meant the way you use it

 

My favourite is "lefty liberals"

They're so right wing, they see Liberals as being on the left

 

LOL. just done it due to a hernia awaiting surgery. Cancelled, no comeback, paid last month, not this.

So imagine all you want...because that's all you remoaners are doing

 

Utter and absolute balderdash, my good man.

Look at what countries pay, not how much they pay per person.

Mind, you remoaners have somehow disappeared the £350 million, so this is a walk in the park for you

 

And of course, they aren't?

The Labour party hasn't got into bed with both Islam and unlimited immigration, by being too liberal? Two things they should abhor.

LOL, you couldn't make it up, could you?

 

How's your claim that the government denied it would pay to leave the EU looking?

 

have we taken back control yet? :-)

 

We haven't left yet, going through what looks like the pointless 2 year negotiations.

 

So when we haven't taken back control, its because we haven't left yet, but because the economy hasn't collapsed yet, its because project fear was wrong!

 

Sorry mate, I really do not get what you are asking......I was/am on the remain side, even though i was not allowed to vote, and i am saying it is not in the EU's interest for Britain to be a runaway success post-Brexit (for obvious reasons). They are not going out of their way to make life very very difficult for the Uk, they are simply saying "you want out, it is down to you to come up with smart, fair and legal suggestions to achieve this"

 

I think this is an unhelpful way of phrasing it tbh (although I am sure quite a few in the EU/Europe just want us to fvck off - we has a special deal inside the EU and now seem to want a special deal outside)

TH EU is a rules based institution - which is needed to create a SM

what the EU through Barnier have constantly said is that we can't have the benefits i.e. frictionless trade with the EU without abiding by the regulations

here is the text of his speech he made yesterday - as a precursorr to what May will say today

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release...17-3404_en.htm

the crucial bit is here where he says

"At midnight on 29 March 2019, the United Kingdom will leave the European Union and will become a third country. This is the UK's sovereign decision. It must be respected."

the concept of a "third country" has a specific legal meaning and if you don't know the implications of what it means I suggest you look it up

and this is the crunch bit

"We have been a Global Europe for quite some time now.

We have trade deals with 60 countries with whom we trade goods and services, whilst respecting our social, environmental, data protection and food safety standards.

And we will continue to do so: with Canada and Japan, with Mexico and Mercosur, soon with Australia and New Zealand, as President Juncker announced in his speech last week.

We will obviously continue to trade with the United Kingdom.

The future trade deal with the United Kingdom will be particular, as it will be less about building convergence, and more about controlling future divergence. This is key to establishing fair competition.

Naturally, if the United Kingdom wanted to go further than the type of free trade agreement we have just signed with Canada, there are other models on the table.

For example, Norway and Iceland have chosen to be in the Single Market, to accept the rules, and to contribute financially to cohesion policy.

But one thing is sure: it is not – and will not – be possible for a third country to have the same benefits as the Norwegian model but the limited obligations of the Canadian model.

And naturally, any agreement must respect the regulatory autonomy of the EU, as well as the integrity of its legal order."

which is shorthand for no Cherrypicking - on which they have been 100% consistent

what the EU know and seemingly our pathetic politicians do not is that a "no deal" is simply not an option for the UK

and that any deal WILL be worse than the one we currently have

The EU are not punishing us - we are doing a pretty good job ourselves

 

Alzheimer is very quiet today

Maybe he's in Florence shouting obscenities at Mrs May.....

 

He and Nigel must be spitting blood at May's confirmation of at least another 2 years of full EU membership.

Brilliant news!

SWS
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Assistant Deputy Secretary to the Sub-Lieutenant of the 2nd Vice-Presidency of
Continuity Remoan

 

Just saw Farage on the news, it's fair to say he's displeased.😀

 

Eventually, at some stage, the penny will drop:
These are not negotiations, this is just an extended discussion on damage limitation.

The damage is our decision to leave the EU.

And, in any case, the EU have all the cards. May's had to concede every step of the way so far.

SWS
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Assistant Deputy Under Secretary to the Sub-Lieutenant of the 2nd Vice-Presidency of
Continuity Remoan