So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
21 September 2017, 11:51 AM
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Greece voted to default on their debts in 2015, with the knowledge that this would've possibly resulted in them being kicked out the EU. As the democratic vote didn't go the way the EU wanted, they overruled it.
Had Greece defaulted and returned to the Dracma their economy would have grown strongly since then. The currency would have been very weak initially meaning their economy could've been very compeitive, holidays to Greece would be very cheap and they would've been on the up. As it stands they're still stuck using the Euro and things in the big citiies like Athens are pretty bleak - but hey they're helping to weaken the Euro currency.
21 September 2017, 11:52 AM
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Greece is in a bad state because it has serious structural problems within its economy and it falsified its entry papers to get into the EU. Not because it's in the EU.
But even Yanis Varoufakis thinks the UK is crazy to leave the EU and recognises that there is neither 'deal' nor EUtopia awaiting the UK outside of the EU.
Just (self-inflicted) pain.
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21 September 2017, 11:58 AM
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In other words, just the type who's very unlikely to feel any significant pain from Brexit, even if it does turn out to be a complete disaster 
When people first started making those predictions a year or two ago, it was more or less universally accepted that such a collapse would be prefaced by a wave of election victories by the alt-right and their ilk across much of the EU. Since the latter has now failed to materialize, you have to doubt if the whole Euro collapse scenario is in reality any more likely.
When people first started making those predictions a year or two ago, it was more or less universally accepted that such a collapse would be prefaced by a wave of election victories by the alt-right and their ilk across much of the EU. Since the latter has now failed to materialize, you have to doubt if the whole Euro collapse scenario is in reality any more likely.
I just found his point of view interesting and wondered what others thought as I've not really been paying much attention lately.
21 September 2017, 12:06 PM
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Presumably we are bound to meet our commitments, or are you saying we shouldn't honour them?
Per capita, we are actually one of the smaller net contributors to the EU.
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21 September 2017, 12:13 PM
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But as far as what we should pay, we pay our agree'd commitments made to date, nothing beyond that. I heard something mentioned about paying for the relocation of bodies from the UK, um no, they can operate from here still no problem, if they choose to move then that's their look out and their bill, not ours.
21 September 2017, 12:16 PM
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But you could always leave without paying and see how that works out.
And before you start banging on about WTO terms, how many of you fecking Brexiteers actually regularly import stuff from the US or Japan? I did until recently (£ collapsed) and from experience it's a proper butt-pain, lottery of delay. As well as the increased cost it's also the end of high efficiency 'just-in-time' processing.
Just what we need to add to the UK's already pitiful levels of efficiency, eh.
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21 September 2017, 01:39 PM
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I mean, seriously, you pay membership to a club at all? Gym? Magazine subs? CD Collectors? Book collectors?
And when you leave/cancel, do you then have to find £thousands to leave?
Because that's what you are suggesting isn't it?
No: you pay up to leaving date and walk away.
What the EU are doing is trying to a) punish us, b) make it obvious to others not to do the same, and c), try and encourage us to say, "Fukc it, we'll stay then"
Not gonna happen dude.
21 September 2017, 01:47 PM
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And before you start banging on about WTO terms, how many of you fecking Brexiteers actually regularly import stuff from the US or Japan? I did until recently (£ collapsed) and from experience it's a proper butt-pain, lottery of delay. As well as the increased cost it's also the end of high efficiency 'just-in-time' processing.
Just what we need to add to the UK's already pitiful levels of efficiency, eh.
Just what we need to add to the UK's already pitiful levels of efficiency, eh.
'£ collapsed'
The devaluation of the pound is a major boost to the UK economy. It means not only our our exports cheaper, but also imports increasing in cost means there is some inflation (something the EU has been struggling to generate).This boosts consumer spending (the main driver of GDP), as deflation results in people holding off purchases (exaclty why it's feared by central banks). This also encourages the purchase of locally produced goods, encourages people to holiday within the UK boosting the economy, and encourages foreigners to holiday in the UK (numbers are up hugely). The inflation is also eroding debt, so again in effect reducing debt levels. This boost to the ecomomy is also allowing us to reduce government spending (just announced, UK government spending is down to the lowest levels since 2007). This comes just months after the first UK monthly surpluss in over a decade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...est-rate-hike/
If you do your own research, and do this for a job, then I certainly wouldn't buy any services from you, as you don't seem very good at it.
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21 September 2017, 02:02 PM
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The only really meaningful way of looking at this is per capita, you just don't like it because it erodes the veracity of your argument
21 September 2017, 02:04 PM
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'fecking brexiters' - here you go, showing your true colours. If you can't come up with a decent argument you have to resort to name calling and shouting down your opponents.
'£ collapsed' The devaluation of the pound is a major boost to the UK economy. It means not only our our exports cheaper, but also imports increasing in cost means there is some inflation (something the EU has been struggling to generate).This boosts consumer spending (the main driver of GDP), as deflation results in people holding off purchases (exaclty why it's feared by central banks). This also encourages the purchase of locally produced goods, encourages people to holiday within the UK boosting the economy, and encourages foreigners to holiday in the UK (numbers are up hugely). The inflation is also eroding debt, so again in effect reducing debt levels.
This boost to the ecomomy is also allowing us to reduce government spending (just announced, UK government spending is down to the lowest levels since 2007). This comes just months after the first UK monthly surpluss in over a decade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...est-rate-hike/
If you do your own research, and do this for a job, then I certainly wouldn't buy any services from you, as you don't seem very good at it.
'£ collapsed'
The devaluation of the pound is a major boost to the UK economy. It means not only our our exports cheaper, but also imports increasing in cost means there is some inflation (something the EU has been struggling to generate).This boosts consumer spending (the main driver of GDP), as deflation results in people holding off purchases (exaclty why it's feared by central banks). This also encourages the purchase of locally produced goods, encourages people to holiday within the UK boosting the economy, and encourages foreigners to holiday in the UK (numbers are up hugely). The inflation is also eroding debt, so again in effect reducing debt levels. This boost to the ecomomy is also allowing us to reduce government spending (just announced, UK government spending is down to the lowest levels since 2007). This comes just months after the first UK monthly surpluss in over a decade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...est-rate-hike/
If you do your own research, and do this for a job, then I certainly wouldn't buy any services from you, as you don't seem very good at it.
Wow, I guess Germany in the 20s was actually the place to be then.
Your are economically illiterate Pete
How is using the phrase 'feckin Brexiteers' any different to you constantly using 'liberal' in virtually every post?
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21 September 2017, 02:17 PM
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*picks up toys and drops them back in Martin's pram* How is the phrase 'fecking brexiters' any different to 'liberal' - are you really asking that?!
21 September 2017, 02:19 PM
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How's your claim that the government denied it would pay to leave the EU looking?
22 September 2017, 08:48 AM
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No countries are looking to see how the UK gets on with a view to doing the same. Countries in the EU and around the world are just gasping with astonishment at how we could still be continuing with this foolishness.
Not even Greece, supposedly the victim of EU bullying, abuse and imposed austerity, is looking towards the door.
The EU is asking Britain to say a) how it will deal with EU citizens living in Britain, b) specify how the North/South Irish border will work and c) settle its tab on the way out. It's not asking for anything else.
How is that ensuring Britain isn't a runaway success?
Not even Greece, supposedly the victim of EU bullying, abuse and imposed austerity, is looking towards the door.
The EU is asking Britain to say a) how it will deal with EU citizens living in Britain, b) specify how the North/South Irish border will work and c) settle its tab on the way out. It's not asking for anything else.
How is that ensuring Britain isn't a runaway success?
22 September 2017, 09:36 AM
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Sorry mate, I really do not get what you are asking......I was/am on the remain side, even though i was not allowed to vote, and i am saying it is not in the EU's interest for Britain to be a runaway success post-Brexit (for obvious reasons). They are not going out of their way to make life very very difficult for the Uk, they are simply saying "you want out, it is down to you to come up with smart, fair and legal suggestions to achieve this"
TH EU is a rules based institution - which is needed to create a SM
what the EU through Barnier have constantly said is that we can't have the benefits i.e. frictionless trade with the EU without abiding by the regulations
here is the text of his speech he made yesterday - as a precursorr to what May will say today
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release...17-3404_en.htm
the crucial bit is here where he says
"At midnight on 29 March 2019, the United Kingdom will leave the European Union and will become a third country. This is the UK's sovereign decision. It must be respected."
the concept of a "third country" has a specific legal meaning and if you don't know the implications of what it means I suggest you look it up
and this is the crunch bit
"We have been a Global Europe for quite some time now.
We have trade deals with 60 countries with whom we trade goods and services, whilst respecting our social, environmental, data protection and food safety standards.
And we will continue to do so: with Canada and Japan, with Mexico and Mercosur, soon with Australia and New Zealand, as President Juncker announced in his speech last week.
We will obviously continue to trade with the United Kingdom.
The future trade deal with the United Kingdom will be particular, as it will be less about building convergence, and more about controlling future divergence. This is key to establishing fair competition.
Naturally, if the United Kingdom wanted to go further than the type of free trade agreement we have just signed with Canada, there are other models on the table.
For example, Norway and Iceland have chosen to be in the Single Market, to accept the rules, and to contribute financially to cohesion policy.
But one thing is sure: it is not – and will not – be possible for a third country to have the same benefits as the Norwegian model but the limited obligations of the Canadian model.
And naturally, any agreement must respect the regulatory autonomy of the EU, as well as the integrity of its legal order."
which is shorthand for no Cherrypicking - on which they have been 100% consistent
what the EU know and seemingly our pathetic politicians do not is that a "no deal" is simply not an option for the UK
and that any deal WILL be worse than the one we currently have
The EU are not punishing us - we are doing a pretty good job ourselves
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22 September 2017, 03:50 PM
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He and Nigel must be spitting blood at May's confirmation of at least another 2 years of full EU membership.
Brilliant news!
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Brilliant news!
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22 September 2017, 03:53 PM
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Just saw Farage on the news, it's fair to say he's displeased.😀
22 September 2017, 04:00 PM
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These are not negotiations, this is just an extended discussion on damage limitation.
The damage is our decision to leave the EU.
And, in any case, the EU have all the cards. May's had to concede every step of the way so far.
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