Steve vRS

And god is it expensive!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/260225/

To quote Dragons Den, "I'm out!"

Steve

500

I wonder how much the turbocharged scoob version will be

Was having a look at the price of the Pug RCZ and it's 30k!

I bet the turbocharged version will be knocking on for 35k

Gear Head

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£28K for a Celica?

You would have thought they would have developed a new engine for the GT-86!

Lazy *******.

CREWJ

That does seem expensive at first but then when you consider similar things on the road it's not that expensive.

ALi-B

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Owch. I wonder how heavy its going to be? As I have a feeling this is going down the same path as the outgoing Celicas: Nice, but behind the times. I wonder why they aren't teaming up with Yamaha for their 'sporty' engines anymore? Although they really did drop a bollock with the 1.8 VVTLi unit (2ZZGE - a useless engine for road car use), so maybe thats a good thing

197bhp with 157lb/ft is quite a healthy figure for a 2.0 n/a road engine, but it'll be totally lost if its put in a chassis heavier than 1200kg, and knowing boxers in n/a form, its likely to still be gutless at low revs.

The last Celica was only 1200kg which is nothing compared to modern cars of similar size, and even then it struggled....partly due to the engine being a 1.8 and the VVTLi version having a stupid on/off VVTLi power band that was next to useless in the real world, combined with the lack of low down grunt (ok for a 1.8, but not enough for a sporty car). Even the older 2.0GT (3S-GE for Toyota nuts) was asthmatic at low revs

I don't think it'll cut it for me, if I were trying to find a normally aspirated sports car to replace what I already have; I don't think its going to be Golf R32 replacement, although a Golf weighs as much as a e39 5 series (1500kg), however it has enough grunt to get over that.

Also Mcpherson struts, oh come on! Isn't about time this stupidly compromised suspension system was dumped on 'sports orientated driver's cars' ? This belongs on shopping cars and the sporty versions based upon them like hot hatches and Imprezas etc. Seeing this is a clean sheet car, they could have made this car special and bring back double wishbone/multi-link on the front. Or at least make the shock/strut move independantly to the hub. It would then at least justify the cost over a 'hot hatch'.

CREWJ

ALi-B

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Opps I need glasses

CREWJ

Not sure what the Subaru version will weigh though.

dpb

just illustrates the market isnt doesnt care for what makes the thing move around better , as long as it looks the part

stevie1982

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And after this
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=24785
i think i am out for the Subaru version to

lets hope for a sti version to come at a later date to save the day

rickya

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Very true.
Even my wife's 2008 Honda Accord has double-wishbone front and multi-link rear coilover suspension as std, coupled with variable gear ratio steering. And thats on a family Tourer. In fact I think Honda would have been better off teaming up with Subaru than Toyota!

lordharding

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Well if it's 28k
Does it really matter if it's what you want
My greenwagon was nearly 23k 11 years ago and still makes me smile

The p1 was 32k
It's a smart looking car and will sell
Wait to the pictures from Tokyo come out later tomorrow

You will all want one

No point in being the richest man in the graveyard

ALi-B

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Dissapointing: And gah!...they 'had' to do it didn't they? What is it with manufacturers current obsession with stupid oversized grilles? They get something that is nice but a little bland, and in a vain effort to try and tart it up they go and stick on a bumper with a ugly oversized trout grille stolen straight from a pug 308

What makes it worse is many of these yawning-hippo-grilled cars are now having active shutters fitted behind the grilles to STOP the air passing through and reduce drag (most BMWs, Ford, Honda etc) . FFS how counter intuitive is that? Just bin the active p**s-flaps and don't have big grille in the first place!

stevie1982

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the last pictures i really saw of this was this and im sorry but i think it looks the nuts and would of gone and had a look but now it just looks like every other main stream piece of poop getting released. they both remind me of a poorer / softer 370z with less power and you know by the time you add a few optional extras its going to cost you over 30k, madness. any way here is the look i was hoping for

CREWJ

The STi version may still be awesome looking but I bet it'll cost more around £45k

brendy76

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Look at the shadowing, that isnt a real photo matey. I'll hold my judgement until I see one in the flesh. As a first model with revisions to follow, this isnt bad for a starter.

bootlegapparel

Heaps of new pictures and videos have been released about the new Toyota GT 86; http://www.allcarwiki.com/wiki/Toyota_GT-86

There's big differences between the JDM, EURO and USDM cars. The Scion FR-S pics have been released as well. Not sure which version Australia would get, but I'm guessing it'd be a combination of the Euro GT 86 and the US FR-S.

The interior is looking pretty hideous in the Scion though:

Saxo Boy

Underpowered by at least 50% IMHO.

CREWJ

It's not the hot version yet. The STi one will be out eventually.

Fabioso

They've driven it on Pistonheads. To say they like it is an understatement and then some.

Reading between the lines though I get the distinct impression it's all about the handling and feedback and not the straightline power.

Could be a fun car.......rather than epic

djandyg

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I work at a toyota dealership......my boss' went to some conference the other day said they saw this there

Jimpreza

That's some good inside information you have there.

djandyg

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if you had any idea how many models of toyota are set to come out but never actually do you would understand that having it at the toyota new model conference is one step closer to it being reality. I still wont hold my breath though.