backdoors

As above on a G plate, always wanted this shape, thought I'd trade in the STI and get one.

Trouble is, today I followed one till about "70 ish" (where I thought I saw old bill and slammed on the anchors) and I was shifting up early and easily keeping pace

I'm totally disapointed, I used to really really want one

Maybe I need a newer plate one?

Mad Gypsy

The 964 has 250 bhp. at higher speeds it would be a match for the STi (just). Overall, you'd be dissapointed comming from a STi to a 964. I myself have just come from a STi Type R (310bhp) to a 996 and love it! Though they are fairly evenly matched. It's been said before; the Type R is faster off the mark to 60, but in most other instances the 996 is a little quicker, though not by loads. And of course the power delivery is very different, you'll swear blind that the STi is at least 10 times faster if you drove a 964.
But remember it's not just a car, it's a 911!

backdoors

I must admit I think if there was 2 lanes my STI would have gone easily straight past (but still wouldn't have looks in the same league)

The 993/996 seems like the car I want then, great looks, sound superb, a proper Porsche ! What 996 do you have?

davyboy

A 300bhp Sti is going to be quicker than a 250 bhp 964.........

But you dont just buy a 15 year old and expect it to be as quick as a new car do you?

Surely you buy them for the driving experience it gives you....the noise....the emotions etc?

If you just want to go fast as cheaply as you can, stick with what you have.

DazV

rice box with turbo stuck on to make it go faster

or

german thoroughbred

??

john banks

Some people get it, some people don't - the old Porsche thing I mean.

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

My boss swears by his H plate 911, he's had it about 7 years and wont be selling it (so he says). Incidentally he's been in/driven many other porkers and wouldn't swap it.

backdoors

I obviously thought the lack of weight would pull it along quite nicely, compared to my lardy Subaru.

But , I have always wanted a porker, I quite like the really old ones, but the maintenance scares the hell out of me........911 2.7 RS......mmmmmmmm

Mad Gypsy

a 3.4 (300bhp) in metalic viola (special order colour) with GT3 aero kit.

What STi do you have? What bhp you running?

My mate has a 240bhp WRX waggon and my 996 eats it! Even in the wet I pull away strongly from him.

If it's simply performance your after then stick with what you've got. I can only go on a Type R here as it's the only scoob I've owned, but the difference in performance between the two does not warrant the price difference if looking solely for a performance car.

However, not only does the 996 more than match the Type R for performance (again, not by much) in every other area you care to think of, it beats it with ease. The attention the car gets is unreal (maybe partly down to the colour and GT3 kit), and nearly all positive (a surprise). The build quality is in a completely different league!

I do still miss the scoob on the odd occasion. The kick in the back, the noise, the raw ***** out, no nonsense way it approaches being a sports car. I'd have another Type R in a heart beat! Type R for me really is the best of all the classics, so different to all other scoob's, ******* awesome!

I'm very tempted to get another and drop in a 2.5 then proceed to mod the living crap out of it

backdoors

I've got an 03 STI PPP, which i think gives me all the wrong type of attention ie Police and chavs in Novas, so I'm glad to hear the porsche gets a positive response ! I've had people in the street openly laugh at my car Don't get me wrong, I love the noise and the kick in the back, but it is only a jap box (albeit a fairly quick one)

The thing is, someone has always got either a faster car or more talent than you in the end, so I may as well travel around in a great looking motoring icon (I'm talking about a 911 !)

hawkthescoobslayer

i used to have an MY02 sti

unfortunately now every day is pretty rough? for me

Senior_AP

964 is my fave shape to. Just too many problems with them put me right off. 993 is better apparently but there's the cost.

Your scoob will be a far more reliable motor, quicker to. It depends what you want as other posts on this thread have stated.

LHD 993 would be an idea??

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

Thats suprising, my boss's car has done circa 130,000 miles, gets the life thrashed out of it every day, literally gets in it after standing all day and blasts it off up the road. Hasn't even so much as made a rattle or a puff of smoke in all the years I've watched him do it.

Only thing I've seen him have problems with is battery going flat.

zoog

If your boss has to stand all day I m not surprised he's not too sympathetic to the motor come home time!

Lemmy

My partner (Gina) has just bought a G plate Carrera 4 and I have a 02 STi with ~310 hp and modified suspension and exhaust, so I can make a direct comparison.

The 964 definately feels slower and I am sure is slower. 0-60 and 0-100 are not too different but in gear times of the Scoob are much quicker. My modified STi has sharper steering, but it has done 30,000 miles against the 964's 84,000. However, there is more feel in the 964's steering than my STi despite Prodrive springs, antilift kit etc,.

The 964 as standard is much quieter than my STi (sports cat exhaust with afterburner), but we plan to add a sports exhaust with cat bypass (legal on 1989 car) to make it sound better. Driving position and heating are much better on the Scoob. Build quality is much the same in terms of rattles, but then the 964 has done nearly three times the miles.

Depreciation will be much less on the 964.

Looks are a personal thing. Both look great to me, but the 964 is a Porsche 911. However, when we travel in convoy everyone looks at the Scoob rather than the 964.

When I change by STi I will be considering a 993 or possibly a 996. 993s are supposed to be the best built 911s with the best resolved handling of the air cooled cars. They also suffer low depreciation which is one of the reasons I am considering one. The 996 is definately a better drive, but and this is a BIG but, it may cost you thousands to keep running due to the rear main seal (RMS) problem that suposedly afflicts around 25% of them and can come to light at any time. Some people have had the RMS replaced 5 times, at 5-6 hours labour a time. If the car is out of warranty this will be very expensive. It may also require replacement gearbox or engine. Porsche are not acknowledging the problem and do not seem to know how to fix it. The Boxster has the same RMS problem (check out the Remlist forum).

The 964 also has a reutation for oil leaks, but this is exagerated and easily fixed. Most cars in good condition have been soughted by now. Anyway an inspection by a Porsche specialist will soon determine if there is a problem.

Best thing to do is to try a few 911s and do a lot of research before selling the Scoob.

Alan

Rumplestiltskin!

Mad Gypsy

Funny you say that most of your attention is positive.
I drive a 996 Turbo & get nothing but hassle & bad attitude everywhere I go.
Before that I had a 996 C4S & a C2......those too attracted lots of bad attention. Didn't have anything like that in my STi4.
I usually don't really mind, though I often have my kids in the car.

Senior_AP

Also, like any old Porsche, they cost a bomb to run. Prices are wildly over inflated. i also question this "ultimate reliability" claim.

You have to love them to own them (old Porsches) cos if you don't, you soon start to hate them!!

Lemmy

964 is one of the most expensive 911s to service: around £400-500 for £12k service, which takes 2 days because of tappets adjustment.
993 around £300 (1 day).
Above prices are from 911 specialists not main dealers and assume nothing is wrong. In practice given age of such cars you will probably have to pay more than the above.

By comparison my 02 Sti requires 10k mile services (£150-200), but I also arrange for a 5k oil change given its state of tune. 30k service was over £400. 60k service on a Scoob is typically over £500. These are main dealer prices and considerable savings can be made with specialists.

However, the main running cost is depreciation. Over 3 years my Sti will have lost 50% of its original value which equates to around £14k. A good 964 or 993 will only lose a few thousand over a similar period. Also a 911 will probably be slightly more economical on petrol. In addition the body paint on an aircooled 911 is much more resitant to stones etc. than Scooby paintwork.

Alan

Harry_Boy

Hawk - just show us the pics!

Mad Gypsy

I was expecting to get a fair amount of hassle having heard what many Porsche drivers have said. But so far (it's only been 3 months) it's mostly been all good. I have been trying to drive in a more courteous manner since getting the 911 so as to offset the abuse I was expecting.

It's true that no one will let you out at a junction, so I guess you could say I've noticed some difference, but not as bad as I thought, though there's still time!

I to had a STi4 (Type R) and the car itself didn't attract anywhere near the amount of attention that the 911 does, but loads more than either BM's. The only negative attention the scoob got was from pc plod, got pulled 5 times in 1 year! Not one of those was for speeding.

I miss the camaraderie of scoob ownership, most people are right; Porsche drivers are w4nkers! (except us of course!).

hawkthescoobslayer

the only attention ive had so far is women stumbling over their husbands mouths as they hit the floor


every day is a ruf day

Hawk