absolute fecking disgrace!
04 November 2011, 07:12 PM
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absolute fecking disgrace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15596588
there will be old people dying because they cannot afford to heat their homes this winter, vulnerable children who need support from agencies strapped for cash, etc and we are giving away money to criminals due to a technicality
n illegal immigrant has been awarded £17,360 at the High Court for being wrongly imprisoned.
Joseph Mjemer, who arrived in the UK as a stowaway in 2003, was held by Home Office officials as they tried to establish his country of origin.
Judge Stephen Stewart QC concluded he should be freed and paid damages by the Home Office for loss of liberty.
Mr Mjemer, 28, was convicted of more than 20 offences in the three years following his arrival in Britain.
A UKBA spokesperson said: "We are very disappointed by the High Court ruling. Mr Mjemer has shown a consistent disregard for our laws and we are determined to pursue his deportation."
The High Court in London heard Mr Mjemer arrived in the UK on a ship in 2003 and claimed asylum.
Over the following three years, he was convicted of offences including property damage, dangerous driving and attempting to obtain property by deception.
He was jailed a number of times before being taken into "administrative custody" in 2007 because officials feared he would abscond if freed while officials tried to establish where he came from.
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The judge ruled that the detention had been lawful for most of that period, but had been illegal between January and May 2011 because attempts to establish his nationality had faltered and there had been no realistic prospect of deportation.
Mr Mjemer, who brought the action after being granted legal aid, had also used at least five aliases and claimed to be British, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian and stateless.
Judge Stewart said he thought there was a low to moderate risk that he would be violent, a moderate risk that he would reoffend and a moderate to high risk that he would abscond.
Mr Mjemer's lawyers had argued he had suffered psychiatric harm as a result of being illegally detained.
But the judge said there was no evidence of "substantial deterioration" during the period of unlawful detention and rejected a claim for "aggravated damages".
Judge Stewart ruled that Mr Mjemer had been unlawfully held following a hearing in May, but announced the amount of damages following a further hearing on Thursday.
Following the May hearing, lawyers told the judge that Mr Mjemer would be freed, fitted with a monitoring tag, have to live at an address in West Drayton, west London, and be made to report regularly to a police station while Home Office investigations into his country of origin continued.
there will be old people dying because they cannot afford to heat their homes this winter, vulnerable children who need support from agencies strapped for cash, etc and we are giving away money to criminals due to a technicality
n illegal immigrant has been awarded £17,360 at the High Court for being wrongly imprisoned.
Joseph Mjemer, who arrived in the UK as a stowaway in 2003, was held by Home Office officials as they tried to establish his country of origin.
Judge Stephen Stewart QC concluded he should be freed and paid damages by the Home Office for loss of liberty.
Mr Mjemer, 28, was convicted of more than 20 offences in the three years following his arrival in Britain.
A UKBA spokesperson said: "We are very disappointed by the High Court ruling. Mr Mjemer has shown a consistent disregard for our laws and we are determined to pursue his deportation."
The High Court in London heard Mr Mjemer arrived in the UK on a ship in 2003 and claimed asylum.
Over the following three years, he was convicted of offences including property damage, dangerous driving and attempting to obtain property by deception.
He was jailed a number of times before being taken into "administrative custody" in 2007 because officials feared he would abscond if freed while officials tried to establish where he came from.
Legal aid
The judge ruled that the detention had been lawful for most of that period, but had been illegal between January and May 2011 because attempts to establish his nationality had faltered and there had been no realistic prospect of deportation.
Mr Mjemer, who brought the action after being granted legal aid, had also used at least five aliases and claimed to be British, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian and stateless.
Judge Stewart said he thought there was a low to moderate risk that he would be violent, a moderate risk that he would reoffend and a moderate to high risk that he would abscond.
Mr Mjemer's lawyers had argued he had suffered psychiatric harm as a result of being illegally detained.
But the judge said there was no evidence of "substantial deterioration" during the period of unlawful detention and rejected a claim for "aggravated damages".
Judge Stewart ruled that Mr Mjemer had been unlawfully held following a hearing in May, but announced the amount of damages following a further hearing on Thursday.
Following the May hearing, lawyers told the judge that Mr Mjemer would be freed, fitted with a monitoring tag, have to live at an address in West Drayton, west London, and be made to report regularly to a police station while Home Office investigations into his country of origin continued.
04 November 2011, 08:32 PM
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The 'what do you expect from the Daily Mail' crowd will be along any moment. Oh, wait .... 
If the authorities couldn't determine where he was from, a) he was obviously not cooperating so bang him up until he does and b) no way an asylum claim could possibly be approved. As for the crimes, sorry, but ask for asylum, commit one crime and a big NO. End of.
Dave
If the authorities couldn't determine where he was from, a) he was obviously not cooperating so bang him up until he does and b) no way an asylum claim could possibly be approved. As for the crimes, sorry, but ask for asylum, commit one crime and a big NO. End of.
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04 November 2011, 08:37 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15581877
If the border agency had done their job and thrown him out of the country then they would not have had to hold him illegally.......... Not fit for purpose apparantly
Shaun
If the border agency had done their job and thrown him out of the country then they would not have had to hold him illegally.......... Not fit for purpose apparantly
Shaun
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great way to spend tax payers money, congratulations.
people in charge are so far detatched from reality, its actually scary.
what can people do about it - sweet f*ck all.
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people in charge are so far detatched from reality, its actually scary.
what can people do about it - sweet f*ck all.
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swinging cuts in pretty much all public services, NHS, etc and we are gifting money to this scumbag and you can be pretty sure he isn't the only one and once word gets around they will be likely be a queue...
change the law imho so that scumbags can't hang around ...
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Lol, so where do you think the money comes from, grow on trees, rub a magic lamp???
swinging cuts in pretty much all public services, NHS, etc and we are gifting money to this scumbag and you can be pretty sure he isn't the only one and once word gets around they will be likely be a queue...
swinging cuts in pretty much all public services, NHS, etc and we are gifting money to this scumbag and you can be pretty sure he isn't the only one and once word gets around they will be likely be a queue...
You are right of course this case (on the face of it at least) is terrible.
Helping vulnerable pensioners and children, is an altogether more complex, vastly more expensive and a politically very different matter.
Trying to make the issue of this particular case even more emotive just creates lots of heat, but casts very little light.
05 November 2011, 11:59 PM
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I think you should stick to 1 issue at a time.
You are right of course this case (on the face of it at least) is terrible.
Helping vulnerable pensioners and children, is an altogether more complex, vastly more expensive and a politically very different matter.
Trying to make the issue of this particular case even more emotive just creates lots of heat, but casts very little light.
You are right of course this case (on the face of it at least) is terrible.
Helping vulnerable pensioners and children, is an altogether more complex, vastly more expensive and a politically very different matter.
Trying to make the issue of this particular case even more emotive just creates lots of heat, but casts very little light.
Zohan, watch out for Martin! He won't let any of our reactionary right wing propaganda through without proper scrutiny
Btw he is about right
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I agree absolutely with the point raised by the Zohan.
There is no way that this person's situation should be supported in such a way or any one else purely because they are immigrants.
Those who have worked and paid their taxes should be able to expect proper and fair support from the country when they are in financial trouble while those who take advantage of their perceived situation and repay us by thievery etc. should be shown the door, politics or not!
Time the malign influence of the mindless lefty pinko PC Plonkers was kicked into touch.
Les
There is no way that this person's situation should be supported in such a way or any one else purely because they are immigrants.
Those who have worked and paid their taxes should be able to expect proper and fair support from the country when they are in financial trouble while those who take advantage of their perceived situation and repay us by thievery etc. should be shown the door, politics or not!
Time the malign influence of the mindless lefty pinko PC Plonkers was kicked into touch.
Les
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I think you will find that it is the greedy legal profession that has gained the most out of this case and others by the use of public money paid by all of us through the corrupt legal aid system.
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Those who have worked and paid their taxes should be able to expect proper and fair support from the country when they are in financial trouble while those who take advantage of their perceived situation and repay us by thievery etc. should be shown the door, politics or not!
Les
Anyone in this country who genuinely needs help/support financially may as well forget it..... unless you have come into the country on the back of a lorry, in which case you probably have no "genuine" reason.
My Dad has recently had a major operation due to having esophageal cancer. Due to this he will be out of action for a good 6 months plus.
He has seeked various advice regarding getting help financially for mortgage etc. He can get something stupid like £69 a week!! Various other things crop up too such as because he has always contributed to his own pension (i.e. helping himself) some other benefit he might have been able to get he then can't or they take money off something else. Basically they give you little money in one hand but they then have some excuse to take it out of another.
Makes ya p!ss boil when you then read about these fecking immigrants
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I think you should stick to 1 issue at a time.
You are right of course this case (on the face of it at least) is terrible.
Helping vulnerable pensioners and children, is an altogether more complex, vastly more expensive and a politically very different matter.
Trying to make the issue of this particular case even more emotive just creates lots of heat, but casts very little light.
You are right of course this case (on the face of it at least) is terrible.
Helping vulnerable pensioners and children, is an altogether more complex, vastly more expensive and a politically very different matter.
Trying to make the issue of this particular case even more emotive just creates lots of heat, but casts very little light.
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Anyone in this country who genuinely needs help/support financially may as well forget it..... unless you have come into the country on the back of a lorry, in which case you probably have no "genuine" reason.
My Dad has recently had a major operation due to having esophageal cancer. Due to this he will be out of action for a good 6 months plus.
He has seeked various advice regarding getting help financially for mortgage etc. He can get something stupid like £69 a week!! Various other things crop up too such as because he has always contributed to his own pension (i.e. helping himself) some other benefit he might have been able to get he then can't or they take money off something else. Basically they give you little money in one hand but they then have some excuse to take it out of another.
Makes ya p!ss boil when you then read about these fecking immigrants
My Dad has recently had a major operation due to having esophageal cancer. Due to this he will be out of action for a good 6 months plus.
He has seeked various advice regarding getting help financially for mortgage etc. He can get something stupid like £69 a week!! Various other things crop up too such as because he has always contributed to his own pension (i.e. helping himself) some other benefit he might have been able to get he then can't or they take money off something else. Basically they give you little money in one hand but they then have some excuse to take it out of another.
Makes ya p!ss boil when you then read about these fecking immigrants
Les
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