Absolutely brilliant.

Ok I want to work 1 hour a day in a pub in Macclesfield. I live in Hertfordshire so it will take me approx 3.5 hours to drive there, do an hours work then drive 3.5 hours home. So I'll get 8 hours pay for 1 hour of work. Bonus. Far be it from me to say that this bonkers idea is open to abuse but come on!

 

You're wrong there!

Pubs, offices etc are fixed places of work and not included.

It is only for people with no fixed place of work and work on a "mobile basis".

I am a mobile electrician, with nofixed place of work and my first and last job can be up to 3hrs away from home. Now I get no say about this and if I am using the company van, and available to the company that is work time and as such should be included.

I am contracted to 42.5hrs a week, yet am expected to travel for free for 1hr at the start and end of the day. This means I can actually be available for work and direction for 56,5hrs a week. So that's 14hrs a week I don't get paid for, yet I am at work.

So what we now have are two options, currently myself. And my co workers have opted back in to the working time directive and are only working a maximum 48hr week. The company will soon realise how much this is costing them with usbeen late to jobs etc. And they will then have to. Negotiate with us.

Pay us for the time we are at work, and I'll travel as many hours as you want.

Back in the day they expected 15 or 30 minutes and no one really minded that. But now its at least an hour, or more, it is taking the ****.

And at least the europeans have the ***** to tackle it. Couldn't see the uk goverment having the bottle to tackle business like that!

 

Similar thing with those on salary, where i work they do the pre requisite 48 hours and that's it.
Company tried to force them to work longer hours, but people got fed up and went legal on them.
Too many companies are out to milk their employees for all they're worth.

 

Yep!

It is about time something was done.

When it was 15mins or half hour we didn't mind because it was reasonable. But like usual people get greedy and take the ****. It was an excuse in the recession to lay people off, make the people they did have travel further and do the work as it wasn't costing them anything.

Now the tables have turned and they will have to start paying for it.

Or if they don't want to pay for it they need to make sure engineers aren't travelling half way across the country, which would also mean it is more productive for everyone as you aren't knackered by the time you get there!

My company will try and make us be at the office at 8am, and pick up the vans etc. How ever this won't work as in our business if you aren't on site at the allotted time you get financially penalised. So it won't be long until they knock that on the head.

I'm looking forward to 14hrs over time a week personally as it is outside of my 42.5 I'll take the OT thank you very much!

 

Wish this were law 15years ago when I was sent traipsing around the country fixing air conditioners.

At its worst one day' I'd be in Billericay, next day Camberley, then Newcastle, Watford, then Bideford...bear in my home and where I sleep is in the Midlands and I started the job being told that I'd be working in the Midlands areas - which it was originally, until they sacked a service guy and got me doing his work, without any pay adjustment. Some days I'd start off at 4:30am and not get back home 'til after 9:00pm!!

Should have gone to Specsavers means a totally different thing to me.....I've been to well over half of their stores south of Scotland.....And I don't wear glasses or contacts

 

Yep similar story here, spent 20 odd years doing mobile installations, most of it in the motor trade and about 3/4yrs in lift engineering. The lift engineering wasn't so bad as you'd get something like half time (can't remember exactly) for traveling, which was fair enough at the time. But the rest of my working life I was never paid for travelling, so that could at it's worst be 2/3hrs either end of the day, so up to 6hrs a day sometimes that I wasn't paid for, that said the average was probably closer to 3.5/4hrs.

I lived in Nottingham and would regularly have to be anywhere in the midlands by 9am for my first job, even if it was Birmingham (50 odd miles) you've got to be leaving the house before 7am if you want to be in the reception of some office block at 9am, then with a last call in somewhere like Redditch finishing at 5ish, no bloody way I'd walk through the door at home before 7pm, and that was driving like a lunatic most of the time, and that would be on a good day, as all my jobs were in the same area, I won't say how I had to drive if 1st job was Notts then the 2nd was Boston in Lincolnshire @12 bearing in mind each job takes about 1.5/2hrs from tools out to tools in and driving off.

It would most definitely be in the region of £200k (*** packet maths) in OT that I was never paid. that money stayed in my various employers pockets, and that's just me, the two biggest companies I worked at had more than 50 engineers all doing the same. no wonder they wouldn't pay travelling time.

 

Wasnt this mainly brought in for carers that spend absurdly short time with clients and the rest dashing between clients

 

Nope funnily enough!

Brought in for mobile engineers such as myself. Tyco security shut all their regional offices and expected the engineers to travel to site first not the office. Took them to court and won.

Been going on over here for years. 10years ago I worked for carillion who did exactly that and no one said a word about it

 

LOL I wish I could drive like a hooligan; Most of the time I was either lumbered with a non-turbo Berlingo diesel (XUD engine) that wouldn't go above 70mph with the ladders on the roof or a Transit that'd drop on to two cylinders after driving for more than 2 hours. Nothing more stressful that expecting to be on a job at xx:00 only to be held back by a van that won't go above 50mph on the flat.

Company, rather than book it in to a garage to get it looked at properly just kept getting the AA to come out and look it; who are useless.

Then they fitted the trackers. Oh good god; I jump into move the van because a traffic warden or site manager is getting arsey and within a minute I get a phone call from the Spanish inquisition asking where am I going! Funny that they ignored all the logged traveling time before starting and finishing work.

 

Best thing about the job was the cars I had tbh, one company had a lease contract with Hertz and we weren't allowed to take them above 11k considering average weekly milage was around 1k I never stayed in the same car for very long unless I liked it, got to know the guys at the local depot and east mids airport quite well over the few years I worked for that company and had them calling me and holding nice low mileage cars for me, and boy oh boy did I rag the tit's off em.

 

So at what point now will this begin to affect the average joe?

Is this rulingmean with immediate effect that its included or is there some other process now?

 

I'm a mobile fridge engineer and spend quite a bit of time driving around in my own time. I can sometimes spend up to 4hrs travelling from and back to my house. My time sheets at the end of the month show that I'm out at work 60+ hrs a week, every week, and I'm on a 45hr contract. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

 

Yes, I think it was the fact that Tyco tried to change the goalpost

Essentially putting the cost of closing down the regional offices onto the workforce - that is why the courts ruled against the company

And re carillon - this is what happens (for better or worse) when you have week unions

 

Yes but we're all wanting to vote to get out of the EU!! Oh well, paid travel time was a nice thought!

 

Presumably call out pumbers aint included

 

I'm also an electrician, sometimes I work local or times I'm 3 to 4 hours away. I sometimes have to pick my m8 up and drop him off, if I'm working in England that's 2hrs out of day already b4 I get to work. Surely work is when u start the van in the morning buzz in with the tracker and when u get home

 

Yep, its not just Carillion that did it, many companies did the same, Cofely (Mainly french ***** it seems!) etc etc etc!

Unions have no teeth anymore, thanks to the tories, and they are only going to make it worse.

Yep, sounds about right!

Of course, unless your place of work is an office, in which case no, but you should go to the office first, not your call out in that case

 

Well - that makes more sense to me, as someone has posted, it would be better to expect the first / last 30 mins of travel time to be unpaid and the rest as "Working Time". I'd sign up to that.

 

Tthen they got greedy! It always used to be half an hour, and they always want more and unless the unions stand up to it then we will never get it changed