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Old 15 August 2007, 11:53 PM
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Old 15 August 2007, 11:57 PM
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Finally the old girl is getting airborne !! I thought Duxford would be on the cards once the TVOC denied that she would not be ready for Elvington.

Maybe oneday we will see the Bruntingthorpe Lightnings airborne too !!

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Originally Posted by finchyboy
Maybe oneday we will see the Bruntingthorpe Lightnings airborne too !!
Not in the UK you won't Finchy

Privately owned Lightnings are specifically excluded by the CAA from operation in UK airspace
This is why the guys operating the only currently airworthy ones moved their whole set-up (including two 2 seaters) to Cape Town, where I will be heading next year if all goes to plan
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Great news!

I dont think the Lightnings were considered all that safe when they were being serviced with the full RAF complement Finchy!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Great news!

I dont think the Lightnings were considered all that safe when they were being serviced with the full RAF complement Finchy!

Les
But they were very, very fast, and very, very Les

Although I'll grant you, their tendency to flameout if throttled back too quickly was probably a tad disconcerting



Will you be blagging a trip out in the Vulcan then Les
Old 16 August 2007, 02:30 PM
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Yes i understand the CAA will not allow the lightnings to fly in the u.k i was at brunters a few weeks back watching them fast taxi a truly awesome sight. On the Lightning preservation group website it states that they are maintained in flyable condition. Does anybody know what state they are actually in ? could they pheoretically fly if at the end of one of the fast taxi runs the pilot pulled back on the stick!!
Old 16 August 2007, 10:52 PM
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Thanks for the info do you know if the hanger will still be open to the public this sunday 10.00am till 4.00pm ?
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Not in the UK you won't Finchy

Privately owned Lightnings are specifically excluded by the CAA from operation in UK airspace
This is why the guys operating the only currently airworthy ones moved their whole set-up (including two 2 seaters) to Cape Town, where I will be heading next year if all goes to plan
Saw a bunch of Hunters, Lightnings in Bournemouth back in '97, but only the Hunters were flyable............
Old 16 August 2007, 11:55 PM
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Found this awesome video on youtube from an air show last year in south africa

YouTube - English Electric Lightning
Old 17 August 2007, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by finchyboy
Yes i understand the CAA will not allow the lightnings to fly in the u.k i was at brunters a few weeks back watching them fast taxi a truly awesome sight. On the Lightning preservation group website it states that they are maintained in flyable condition. Does anybody know what state they are actually in ? could they pheoretically fly if at the end of one of the fast taxi runs the pilot pulled back on the stick!!
If you consider that the LPG consists mainly of former RAF pilots and engineers, and ex-EE/BAe personnel I think it would be reasonably to assume that if they say they are maintained in flyable condition, they are airworthy in all aspects bar certification

I would imagine that the legal consequences of pulling back on the stick, for the pilot involved, would be severe though
Old 17 August 2007, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Janspeed
Saw a bunch of Hunters, Lightnings in Bournemouth back in '97, but only the Hunters were flyable............
IIRC the CAA prohibition applies to privately owned aircraft with supersonic capability, the Hunter falls a long way short of that
Old 17 August 2007, 09:38 AM
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Dont you think that a 3nm radius and 3,000 feet is a small space for flying a vulcan. Sadly more likely for ground engine runs IMO
Old 17 August 2007, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy McCord
Dont you think that a 3nm radius and 3,000 feet is a small space for flying a vulcan. Sadly more likely for ground engine runs IMO
I should imagine it would be enough for the first "shakedown" test which so i'm told will be just a take off quick circle around the airfield and down agian. I don't even think the landing gear will be retracted on these first flights.
Old 17 August 2007, 11:40 AM
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It'll be great to see the Vulcan back in the air again! I do think it's a shame the Lightnings can't be flown over here in the UK. They were always an amazing sight, just the raw power of a bloke strapped on top of two hugely powerful jet engines!
Old 17 August 2007, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
But they were very, very fast, and very, very Les

Although I'll grant you, their tendency to flameout if throttled back too quickly was probably a tad disconcerting



Will you be blagging a trip out in the Vulcan then Les
Yes I can confirm that about the Lightnings CPD, I did get a ride in one in Singapore when I swapped a trip in the Vulcan for it. I did enjoy that. The Lightning pilot enjoyed his Vulcan trip so much that it was difficult to get the controls back from him

I have been trying to blag a trip ever since they started to rebuild 558, I did offer to be their display pilot, but it was already booked and the shop is closed so to speak.

Les
Old 18 August 2007, 02:42 AM
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Damn

Does that mean the 'discounted flights for SN members' scheme is out the window then Les


BTW: The Lightning was so fast the yanks had to cheat (no change there then) to beat it
Old 18 August 2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Damn

Does that mean the 'discounted flights for SN members' scheme is out the window then Les


BTW: The Lightning was so fast the yanks had to cheat (no change there then) to beat it
At the moment yes CPD, but you never know-he might break a leg-or worse

I know all about the cheating, from when they set the regulations for their big bombing contest, we never had a chance-although we did frighten them once!

Les
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