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iTrader: (5)

couldnt of said it better myself all part of the run up to the 1 world central goverment.. aka new world order.

listen to this guy! might not be to some of your tastes? but the lyric are bang on the nail. this guys track are all there..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYPa-ioWCE

JTaylor

Is that track a parody or has it been written by a naive, politicised teenager after a couple of spliffs? "if I had an army I would fight yah" - I bet the establishment are terrified.

Try here. http://www.davidicke.com/

ETA The naive, politicised, teenager:
http://www.leftlion.co.uk/articles.cfm?id=518

Martin2005

I can't remember when we elected a government based upon a majority of votes, so there should be no surprise, that we are not properly represented in Brussels.

Pressumably those calling for more democracy and representation in Europe are also calling for the same here for domestic electoral affairs.

Are you voting for electoral change in the referendum in May?

Hopefully we can get more representation here and abroad.

rapid.STI

iTrader: (5)

i no all about david icke. he's a legend! i think what scorz is saying is bang on the nail. truth! look at the likes of jayzee, nelly & all them others, they rap about sex, guns, violence.
I actually hear kids as low as 8 singing chart songs, containing sex and so on. then people wonder why society is messed up

check this 1 out. makes sense in this day and age.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtVUnom84w
and this 1 aint released yet but.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IjO7..._order&list=UL

JTaylor

I've had a listen, Rapid, thanks for the links. The second track in the post above sounds more mature and it's good that 'Scorz' has stopped saying things like, without a hint of irony, 'the Queen is like Saddam 'cos she's rich, too', although I'm not sure why somebody criticising mainstream consumer culture would sample Cheryl Cole. Otherwise, fat beat (), good delivery, paranoid content. Whilst he's got your ear, I don't think he'll rouse the disaffected with Chuck D levels of force.

What do you make of Icke's insistence that the Queen and George Bush are, in fact, reptilian shape-shifters? Do you not find that slightly, erm, odd?

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iTrader: (5)

thanks for that matey. as for david icke, i dont really relate to the whole shape shifting reptilians. that is a bit hard to grasp but as for things like the new world order and 1 world goverment i can see that coming.
if you interested in icke? theres a guy i find very interesting his name is rik clay. search rik clay on 2012 olympics on youtube. i totally agree with this guy! he believes the mind creates mater. not the oppersate were led to believe. good watch IMO. glad to see some 1 on here is on my wave length

JTaylor

You might enjoy reading Plato. His work on Idealism will give you, in my experience, the best foundation on the mind before matter idea. Also, should you care to, read A Secret History of the World (Jonathan Black), it's an exploration of esoteria and builds on the Platonic Ideal. It's not a serious academic work, but well worth a look.

I think, as with all these things, one has to be able to distinguish between the joy of allegory, metaphor and symbolism on the one hand and the dangers of taking thought experiments as the literal truth, on the other. Try to keep some of this stuff at arms length, be descerning and question the questioners.

ETA Have you looked at the Law of Attraction? 'Scorz' may well be inviting the negatives he talks about. Mind before matter.

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iTrader: (5)

thanks for that mate if ya get chance watch rik clay,its well worth a nosy.
the way he put the mind creates matter is.. if you have a wet dream, there was no pyshical movment it was mearly thought, which is turn has created life(sterm).
he also goes into religion. but thats another thing
i do try to keep most of it at arms length, i think you can become over paranoid. which isnt good. i like to see the hard facts, but im open minded to

JTaylor

I'll have a look now.

JTaylor

Well, I've had a listen, and would say this: symbolism isn't a new thing. The gentleman's thoughts aren't, in my view, revelatory. Have a look at the Lascaux cave paintings, believed to be 17,300 years old. The McDonald's logo has meaning? Well of course, it was a product of the human mind. The beauty of symbolism is that it allows for interpretation and speculation. Some is wild and poorly reasoned and some is perspicacious. Many symbols and signs are veiled in secrecy which the initiate will understand whilst the keen, but profane, will misinterpret, leading, intentionally, to a wild goose chase.

Take his analyses of Blake's Jerusalem and Ancient of Days; he delivers it in such a way that would lead the neophyte to assume that his ideas are profound, a revelation. Well, they aren't. Blake's command of esoteria has been understood and in the public domain for more than two centuries.

It's fantastic that you're exploring this, but at risk of repeating myself, chose your cyber-mentors carefully. Not necessarily because some spout dangerously convincing rhetoric, but because they can simply be intellectually unsound.

I think you may enjoy some research on sacred geometry. Try to learn its language and how it's been used for over 5000 years in art, writing and architecture (from the Greek arkhitekton, 'chief/master builder/carpenter'). If you can get a good handle on this you'll be able to 'read' the world around you in a way that was previously only available to initiates. You'll never look at a classical sculpture in the same way again.

It's not as sinister as some will have you believe. As an example, when Pi and Phi were discovered they were so valuable that their secrets were jealously guarded. Many of the secret societies that people like Icke and Scorz speculate about are simply an extension of these ancient mystery schools borne of desire to protect knowledge and stop it from falling in to the wrong hands.

I can't stress enough how much you'd enjoy The Secret History of the World.

JTaylor

P.S. If you do read it, understand that it's a thought experiment and not factually accurate.

Leslie

Did I not say that in my post, yes of course it is, for the same self seeking purpose that our present politicians support the Eu at the moment.

Time we got out of it.

Les

Martin2005

Looks like you've been at the Creme De Menthe again

Seriously Les, is this what you really believe?

JTaylor

@ Rapid.

Part 7 1.40 of the Rik Clay 2012 series.

Leslie

Never touch the stuff Martin. Its for fairies, now if you meant Sloe Gin...!

Yes I do, how far do you trust the commissioners Martin? 16 years of managing to lose millions of euro's and cannot explain where it all went. They cannot stand a whisper of criticism and virtually tell the Eu parliament what they want to hear from them. Most of the MEP's have signed in first thing in the morning in order to claim their daily allowance and disappeared in any case!

Like all modern politicians they will be out for the maximum power they can achieve and "Democracy" is just an irritating business as far as they are concerned and needs only to be proclaimed periodically but never practised!

Do you really want them to rule you?

Les

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iTrader: (5)

is it a book you have? secret history of the world? i'd love to read it, although i aint to good at it!

were could i get it?

what did you think to what rik is saying?

JTaylor

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=40

You can get it from places that sell books. I believe Amazon do this.

What are your thoughts on Great Britain's membership of the EU, Rapid?

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iTrader: (5)

its something i havent really looked into TBF. i dont like the idea of foriegners. we should be the same as austrailia to allow plp to enter. i can see us turning to the euro shortly?

whats your opinion on it? also have you watched any of bill hicks? that guy is a legend too.

ps i'll order that book sometime next week...

JTaylor

My thoughts on Europe are only one page back!

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=23

Bill Hicks was a very funny guy and completely fearless.

You should enjoy Secret History but please don't get too carried away with it. It's designed to challenge perceptions and is not the literal truth. If you want to discuss it with me, or if you're not sure on some of the content I'm happy help out where I can.

rapid.STI

iTrader: (5)

i'll give you a shout when ive got the book bill hicks was a pure legend! spoke the truth. and then suddernly he's dead? strange!

JTaylor

He died of pancreatic cancer at his parents' home, it wasn't the men in black. I dread to think what you'll be like after Secret History; you'll have to lay off the weed for a couple of weeks for sure.

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iTrader: (5)

JTaylor

I've watched that series through now and think that whilst the lad Rik Clay was bright and creative, and some of his obeservations were relevant and pertinent, he found connections where there probably aren't any.

Sacred geometry underpins this whole movement; pi and phi are where it's at.
It you get passed the trippy hippy persona, Charles Gilchrist does a nice introductory set of videos here:

http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/index.html

Enjoy.