So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
25 November 2016, 06:36 PM
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the point i was making is that something made in germany is sold to the european company i work for at 19.80 euro's in germany france italy and all other devisions of the company, however if i wish to purchace the same thing using ina uk it is less than £12.00 thats a massive difference, proving things are costing more in the eu because of all the taxs etc
25 November 2016, 07:10 PM
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I don't know why Warren had to leave. I thought he had much thicker skin than that. I wish he were here so that I could wind him up with the impression of farage giggling with his extremely weird and very signature 'OoooheeeeeheeeeheeehooooohooooohooooHaaaaahaaaaa' greeting to a man who opens his door and spots Mr. Farage the campaigner loiting about on his street. It was on TV a few days ago.
Because Warren was so Ukipically proactive, sometimes I think that Warren is one of the two UKIP guys involved in that punch-up incident. I self-debate which one, mind.
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25 November 2016, 07:17 PM
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you all missed the point
the point i was making is that something made in germany is sold to the european company i work for at 19.80 euro's in germany france italy and all other devisions of the company, however if i wish to purchace the same thing using ina uk it is less than £12.00 thats a massive difference, proving things are costing more in the eu because of all the taxs etc
the point i was making is that something made in germany is sold to the european company i work for at 19.80 euro's in germany france italy and all other devisions of the company, however if i wish to purchace the same thing using ina uk it is less than £12.00 thats a massive difference, proving things are costing more in the eu because of all the taxs etc
25 November 2016, 08:23 PM
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I'm done with this thread now.
I'm not repeating myself over and over to those who are very selective in what they are reading and are goggle eyed from the 'facts' on the news.
I think we've quite clearly established the remain camp as hypocritical, media zombies who are completely unable to open their eyes to their own hypocrisy.
As I said in one of the earlier pages I don't tend to post on here as you get berated by the numbers, the intellectual snobbery rules the roost and once again I find myself having been drawn in by people unable to accept someone else's political opinion (definition of a bigot) and getting it from all sides.
I'm struggling to keep up with the amount of questions from the amount of people who obviously should have found these things out before they voted.
I'll 'up' this thread in a few years. See how we are at that point
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Thanks to those who actually put some thought into their posts.
I'm not repeating myself over and over to those who are very selective in what they are reading and are goggle eyed from the 'facts' on the news.
I think we've quite clearly established the remain camp as hypocritical, media zombies who are completely unable to open their eyes to their own hypocrisy.
As I said in one of the earlier pages I don't tend to post on here as you get berated by the numbers, the intellectual snobbery rules the roost and once again I find myself having been drawn in by people unable to accept someone else's political opinion (definition of a bigot) and getting it from all sides.
I'm struggling to keep up with the amount of questions from the amount of people who obviously should have found these things out before they voted.
I'll 'up' this thread in a few years. See how we are at that point
. Thanks to those who actually put some thought into their posts.
But you've not actually answered anything beyond repeating a load of xenophobic drivel that has ultimately been shown to not be the case by several posters, your retorts have only been to say that everyone but you is wrong because they're all middle class snobs
and obviously live on another planet, you're unable to back up anything that you say so now you've spat your dummy out.I would also like to know what it is that you know and everyone else doesn't and should have found it out before they voted, but I doubt you'll be able to come up with anything as that seems to be your forte, spouting rubbish without anything to back it up.
25 November 2016, 09:06 PM
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you all missed the point
the point i was making is that something made in germany is sold to the european company i work for at 19.80 euro's in germany france italy and all other devisions of the company, however if i wish to purchace the same thing using ina uk it is less than £12.00 thats a massive difference, proving things are costing more in the eu because of all the taxs etc
the point i was making is that something made in germany is sold to the european company i work for at 19.80 euro's in germany france italy and all other devisions of the company, however if i wish to purchace the same thing using ina uk it is less than £12.00 thats a massive difference, proving things are costing more in the eu because of all the taxs etc
A company can have "outlets" in any country they want and can legally charge different prices for the same items as they see fit. VAT is always charged at the rate of the country where the item is sold. So if a company has outlets in Germany and the UK, the base price may be the same (although it could be different) but the VAT rates would be different if the item is baught in Germany or the UK.
If the company is trading through a single outlet, its illegal for that outlet to charge you a different amount based on your location. The only permitted differences are for exchange rates if a different currency is involved, or for additional shipping costs!
I'm very sure of this as I had a case recently where an online seller was offering differnt prices for the same item if you bought from the Austrian domain or the German domain - the Austrian price was 40% cheaper. The comany was actually based in Denmark. The problem was if I tried to buy on the Austrian domain, they wouldn't allow me to enter a German delivery address. I contacted the company and they said I had to use the German domain and special offers in Austria were only available to Austrian customers. I contacted the EU consumer help buro and got an answer within 24 hours quoting the relevant paragraphs of the relevent EU regulations that the company was breaking. I copied this to the company I was trying to buy from and they sold to me with the Austrian price! 2 days later the prices were corrected across all EU domains.
So, the company in question may be breaking the law by charging different prices in different EU countries if they are selling only through a single outlet. If they have multiple outlets, then the price difference is no problem as the EU customers are quite entitled to buy through the UK outlet. Price differences may be due to commercial reasons, VAT reasons and exchange rate differences.
In the case of the exchange rate difference through a separate outlet you have to consider how the outlet will probably operate in terms of stock and pricing. Firstly, even if its the same company, the sales departments will generally operate independently from the manufacturing departments. For cost controlling, the sales department will generally buy stock from the manufacturing department at an internal price based on the real cost of manufacture. In the case of different outlets, they will likely place an order to manufacturing of X number of units at the fixed internal price given the exchange rate at the time of the order, delivery may be some months later and the stock order is likely enough to meet retail demand for the next 6 to 12 months. Based on the internal price the sales department paid, they will add their desired profit margin and set the retail price for that stock. The price is unlikely to change for as long as the stock holds, therefore if the exchange rate changes while the stock lasts, as it has significantly in the UK in the last 6 months, then you may see a significant price disparity between two outlets with different currencies. Once stock runs low, then the sales department will place a new order to re-stock and the price will be corrected to the exchange rate and any variation in manufacturing costs. Of course in the case of exchange rate variation, the sales department may also choose to absorb any changes by variation of the profit margins!
25 November 2016, 09:21 PM
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Following on ffrom above, here's the reply I got from the cusumer advice people:
Thank you for your enquiry to Your Europe Advice which relates to your consumer rights within the EU.
You are right. As an EU national you cannot be charged a higher price than local residents when buying products or services anywhere else in the EU, unless the price difference is justified. Discriminatory conditions based on the nationality or residence of the service recipient are in general forbidden by the so called services directive, which covers most commercial activities including the sale of goods.
A different price can be justified e.g. for shipping expenses. For some public services, a different prize for local residents who have already paid for a community service by paying local taxes may be justified. However, we cannot imagine a justification for different discounts offered by an online shop to residents from one country as compared to those from another country.
The legal basis is Recital 33 and Article 2 (as regards the scope of the Directive) as well as Article 20 (prohibition of discrimination) of the Services Directive 2006/123/EC (to be downloaded at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...6L0123&from=DE). The Services Directive was implemented in Austria by § 23 of the Law on Services (Dienstleistungsgesetz, https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFa...ummer=20007539).
We recommend that you get in touch with the European Consumers Center next to your place of residence or in Austria. You can find all the relevant addresses and contact details at http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/index_en.htm, in particular at http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/contact_en.htm.
Yours sincerely
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You are right. As an EU national you cannot be charged a higher price than local residents when buying products or services anywhere else in the EU, unless the price difference is justified. Discriminatory conditions based on the nationality or residence of the service recipient are in general forbidden by the so called services directive, which covers most commercial activities including the sale of goods.
A different price can be justified e.g. for shipping expenses. For some public services, a different prize for local residents who have already paid for a community service by paying local taxes may be justified. However, we cannot imagine a justification for different discounts offered by an online shop to residents from one country as compared to those from another country.
The legal basis is Recital 33 and Article 2 (as regards the scope of the Directive) as well as Article 20 (prohibition of discrimination) of the Services Directive 2006/123/EC (to be downloaded at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...6L0123&from=DE). The Services Directive was implemented in Austria by § 23 of the Law on Services (Dienstleistungsgesetz, https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFa...ummer=20007539).
We recommend that you get in touch with the European Consumers Center next to your place of residence or in Austria. You can find all the relevant addresses and contact details at http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/index_en.htm, in particular at http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/contact_en.htm.
Yours sincerely
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25 November 2016, 10:06 PM
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re your earlier comment regarding the Trump/Brexit vote focusing the minds of EU citizens on the wider benefits of the EU membership
it is an interesting point - and I see it being expressed by EU citizens on other blogs/forums
which in a way is a bonus of all this rubbish
it will be interesting to see how it pans out
it is an interesting point - and I see it being expressed by EU citizens on other blogs/forums
which in a way is a bonus of all this rubbish
it will be interesting to see how it pans out
25 November 2016, 10:39 PM
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Sure, but I meant Scoobynet, not the EU. 
Remember he put up a leaving thread because he got p7$$ed off with some disagreement here to his Ukipinions here hence his Scoobynet leaving announcement on that thread. I said to him then, that he needed not leave Scoobynet. Had he stayed on, he would have contributed quite a bit to the Brexit and Trump debates.
Remember he put up a leaving thread because he got p7$$ed off with some disagreement here to his Ukipinions here hence his Scoobynet leaving announcement on that thread. I said to him then, that he needed not leave Scoobynet. Had he stayed on, he would have contributed quite a bit to the Brexit and Trump debates.
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But you've not actually answered anything beyond repeating a load of xenophobic drivel that has ultimately been shown to not be the case by several posters, your retorts have only been to say that everyone but you is wrong because they're all middle class snobs
and obviously live on another planet, you're unable to back up anything that you say so now you've spat your dummy out. Sounds oddly similar to Warrens parting post.
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Shame that all these complications weren't informed to the general public before the Brexit vote. Saying that, I don't think it would have got through the coloured spectacled Brexiteers.
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That is how it has worked for hundreds of years, but now you think that we should throw that away?
No one is saying they can't invoke article 50, but they do have to follow due process.
After that, there is other stuff like article 127, again, which they have to follow due process. It could end up with us invoking article 50, but not article 127, which would be interesting to say the least!
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This has nothing to do with the EU, it's about how our Parliamentary democracy works
Yes, that would do the UK standing a lot of good internationally
"Here, do business with us, you can trust us. Obviously discounting what we did regarding the treaties we had with the EU, we really mean we'll honour this time, even if we don't like it......"The lack of thought or knowledge about how things works is, quite frankly, staggering!
29 November 2016, 01:29 PM
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29 November 2016, 01:54 PM
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Yes, that would do the UK standing a lot of good internationally
"Here, do business with us, you can trust us. Obviously discounting what we did regarding the treaties we had with the EU, we really mean we'll honour this time, even if we don't like it......"The lack of thought or knowledge about how things works is, quite frankly, staggering!
we see it now on some MP's meeting notes "the plan is having our cake and eating it"
it is the mantra of the Gypo's, want everything, they just don't like paying or playing by any rules
you half expect us to turn up to the negotiations in a battered old Pajero (no MOT / Insurance - that's for mugs) towing a caravan
and giving away a free "tarmacking" of central Brussels