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Old 21 November 2016, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb View Post
Can our brexiteers lend any comfort this chap ?
http://news.sky.com/story/chancellor...-debt-10664912

Or is he simply lying / don't understand economy
Well, this guy seems to hold some integrity for a politician. I don't think he's fibbing.

I think our Brexiteers and the American Trump supporters types need to admit that they're the gullible victims of the post-truth, blind shot politics. They need to admit that they have been led by their hearts, not their brain.

You and I may offer Hammond a virtual hug, but I don't think they will. To them, "It will all pan out fine in the long run, you miserable, moaning Remanian cry babies and pathetic Hammond, the in-betweener!". Oh, well. We'll see how it pans out. Then we shall see who's crying.
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Old 21 November 2016, 02:41 PM
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10 phew, it's been a while


@ neil

Even back then a lot of the buildings, (small 2/3 storey apartment blocks, well actually 4 storey as they all had a basement and roof space but only 2 floors of apartments) were 50% occupied by immigrants, mostly Turkish doing the dirty jobs and the locals that couldn't afford to move didn't like them much, ring any bells there also seemed to be a bit of a sub class of Germans that didn't seem to do much beyond drink beer and smoke pot, which did come in handy once we got to know a few of them this was about 22yrs ago and it would seem that they are much like the UK still struggling for workers if the recent invite is anything to go by.
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Old 21 November 2016, 03:07 PM
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Well, this guy seems to hold some integrity for a politician. I don't think he's fibbing.

I think our Brexiteers and the American Trump supporters types need to admit that they're the gullible victims of the post-truth, blind shot politics. They need to admit that they have been led by their hearts, not their brain.

You and I may offer Hammond a virtual hug, but I don't think they will. To them, "It will all pan out fine in the long run, you miserable, moaning Remanian cry babies and pathetic Hammond, the in-betweener!". Oh, well. We'll see how it pans out. Then we shall see who's crying.
they won't - ever

they are in denial

from the Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/acb33786-...3-bb8207902122

Philip Hammond will admit to the largest deterioration in British public finances since 2011 in next week’s Autumn Statement when the official forecast will show the UK faces a £100bn bill for Brexit within five years.

Slower growth and lower-than-expected investment will hit tax revenues hard, the official forecasts will show, supporting the Treasury’s pre-referendum warnings that the long-term economic costs of Brexit are high.


the only interesting thing is too see who they blame
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Old 21 November 2016, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 View Post
they won't - ever

they are in denial

from the Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/acb33786-...3-bb8207902122

Philip Hammond will admit to the largest deterioration in British public finances since 2011 in next week’s Autumn Statement when the official forecast will show the UK faces a £100bn bill for Brexit within five years.

Slower growth and lower-than-expected investment will hit tax revenues hard, the official forecasts will show, supporting the Treasury’s pre-referendum warnings that the long-term economic costs of Brexit are high.


the only interesting thing is too see who they blame
have to subscribe to read the article.

So where is the 100bn going to come from, I hear there's a UK based parcel firm that's just opened a new depot, maybe they will be stumping it up.
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Old 21 November 2016, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik View Post
This is weird. Calls other stalkers, knows another members kids name.
Sorry Ditch but it's widely known you love to exxagerate/lie, it's been going on for years. .
It's creepy isn't it.....but there again the Internet is full of weirdos.
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Originally Posted by jayallen View Post
It's creepy isn't it.....but there again the Internet is full of weirdos.
Sure is.
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Just so we are clear. You guys are blaming brexit voters for believing certain politicians and propaganda?.
In response your argument is to post left wing propaganda from such reliable sources as sky news lol.
Weird how some remainers admit nobody knows what the future will hold, but some still insist on sticking up links to prove we are ****ed.
I mean I literally posted up a link showing a left wing moron being stripped and his lying and clever editing being exposed and some are STILL posting pro remain propaganda up.
Yet the brexit voters are thick pmsl. The brexit voters believe what they are told .
You literally could not make up the hypocrisy and idiocy if you tried.

Brain washed sheep.
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Bury your head in the sand pretend everything is rosy, thats the easiest way
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Old 21 November 2016, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb View Post
Bury your head in the sand pretend everything is rosy, thats the easiest way
So you're idea of not burying your head in the sand is to read remain propaganda, even when it's massively discredited?.

Would that be the same 'burying your head in the sand' when a video is put up showing how remain media is manipulated but still believing the same propaganda when it suits your agenda?.

'I'll comment on that link and agree with all the other sheep because I like what it says, but I'll ignore that link because it doesn't suit my opinion'.

Or is burying your head in the sand and pretending everything is rosy simply ignoring the fact the EU is the slowest growing economy and STILL voting remain pmsl.

I think given the recent goings on there is definitely reason to strip certain people of their right to vote.

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Old 21 November 2016, 05:10 PM
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Just so we are clear. You guys are blaming brexit voters for believing certain politicians and propaganda?.
In response your argument is to post left wing propaganda from such reliable sources as sky news lol.
Weird how some remainers admit nobody knows what the future will hold, but some still insist on sticking up links to prove we are ****ed.
I mean I literally posted up a link showing a left wing moron being stripped and his lying and clever editing being exposed and some are STILL posting pro remain propaganda up.
Yet the brexit voters are thick pmsl. The brexit voters believe what they are told .
You literally could not make up the hypocrisy and idiocy if you tried.

Brain washed sheep.
What you'll find is that the vast majority of remainers voted for the status quo. To borrow Ditch's whist analogy, they (we) wanted to stick. You're clearly not happy with your lot so you and your fellow Brexiters chose to gamble and twisted. And that's kind of that. We would have taken break even, maybe a small loss, maybe a little gain. Brexiters have taken a whopping great gamble. My business is protected for about 18 months (we buy that far ahead), after that, who knows? Our Chief Executive,who steered us to £40 million gross profit this year, was a remainer. He didn't want to gamble with the future of the business as he was happy with the direction it was taking. I was happy with my lot.
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Old 21 November 2016, 05:11 PM
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Post-truth is a myth.

The sort of political posturing and bending of the truth is so old it makes the bible look positively accurate - just like the internet.
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Old 21 November 2016, 05:15 PM
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So you're idea of not burying your head in the sand is to read remain propaganda, even when it's massively discredited?.

Would that be the same 'burying your head in the sand' when a video is put up showing how remain media is manipulated but still believing the same propaganda when it suits your agenda?.

'I'll comment on that link and agree with all the other sheep because I like what it says, but I'll ignore that link because it doesn't suit my opinion'.

Or is burying your head in the sand and pretending everything is rosy simply ignoring the fact the EU is the slowest growing economy and STILL voting remain pmsl.

I think given the recent goings on there is definitely reason to strip certain people of their right to vote.
I watched the whole thing

all, it shows whether you watch the short quotes or the long form quotes is that the Brexit camp had and still have no clue what brexit looks like,

they where and are making it up as they go along

(it makes little difference - Andrew Neil was dancing on rhetorical pin heads)

Customs Union - in or out

Norway option - yes or no

EEA - yes or no

that is the valid point the guy was making - and Andrew has no answer too
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Originally Posted by Turbohot View Post
Well, this guy seems to hold some integrity for a politician. I don't think he's fibbing.

I think our Brexiteers and the American Trump supporters types need to admit that they're the gullible victims of the post-truth, blind shot politics. They need to admit that they have been led by their hearts, not their brain.

You and I may offer Hammond a virtual hug, but I don't think they will. To them, "It will all pan out fine in the long run, you miserable, moaning Remanian cry babies and pathetic Hammond, the in-betweener!". Oh, well. We'll see how it pans out. Then we shall see who's crying.
How do we know it won't pan out?

Merkel is panicking due to the AfD (Alternative for Deutschland As of September 2016, the AfD had gained representation in ten of the 16 German state parliaments.The party is currently led by Frauke Petry and Jörg Meuthen) and the right have France by the gonads.

Bye Bye to the EU?

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Old 21 November 2016, 05:16 PM
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Is this for real? You've seen something on a documentary and you think it's fact?

Sorry but it's meant to be the brexit voters that were thick, daily mail propaganda swallowing idiots.

How about this for some of the propaganda the left swallow day in day out getting picked apart..

https://youtu.be/UHzmCHcM7cA

The left are the ones coming across as thick.
Not really sure why you think that is relevant. Everyone agrees that both sides made ridiculous claims during the campaign, and I'm not going to excuse him for the ones he has told.

However, it does hold true that there is not plan for Brexit, there never was, there still isn't, and the signs are not good.
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Philip Hammond will admit to the largest deterioration in British public finances since 2011 in next week’s Autumn Statement when the official forecast will show the UK faces a £100bn bill for Brexit within five years.

Slower growth and lower-than-expected investment will hit tax revenues hard, the official forecasts will show, supporting the Treasury’s pre-referendum warnings that the long-term economic costs of Brexit are high.


Hang on..we were told last week that we have the fastest growing economy in the EU and that it's growing more than twice as fast as the forecast...it was on the BBC too.

So who's been telling porkies now?
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I think this illustrates the brexiteers state mind to a tee.

There must be a conspiracy out there !
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Not really sure why you think that is relevant. Everyone agrees that both sides made ridiculous claims during the campaign, and I'm not going to excuse him for the ones he has told.

However, it does hold true that there is not plan for Brexit, there never was, there still isn't, and the signs are not good.
As there was never a plan for remain apart from accept it and move on.
Both sides talked bollocks during, remain still talk bollocks whilst the brexit camp have ****ed off.
The whole thing was a shambles from beginning to end, lack of information, lack of true leaders you could actually trust and propaganda misleading people.
Still now there's no clear cut, true information as to what can be expected.
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What you'll find is that the vast majority of remainers voted for the status quo. To borrow Ditch's whist analogy, they (we) wanted to stick. You're clearly not happy with your lot so you and your fellow Brexiters chose to gamble and twisted. And that's kind of that. We would have taken break even, maybe a small loss, maybe a little gain. Brexiters have taken a whopping great gamble. My business is protected for about 18 months (we buy that far ahead), after that, who knows? Our Chief Executive,who steered us to £40 million gross profit this year, was a remainer. He didn't want to gamble with the future of the business as he was happy with the direction it was taking. I was happy with my lot.
As the fastest growing economy in the EU we will leave the slowest growing economy in the world (Antarctica aside) which is the EU.
It is still only thought and opinion, even by a multi millionaire who has no real idea what to expect.

I expect it will hit some businesses badly, I suspect it will make others flourish. Whether it will balance for or against is unknown.
But it was also unknown if staying within the confines of a slow growing economy was in the end also going to have catastrophic results.
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How do we know it won't pan out?
I didn't say it won't pan out. I said- "We'll see HOW it pans out..."


Merkel is panicking due to the AfD (Alternative for Deutschland As of September 2016, the AfD had gained representation in ten of the 16 German state parliaments.The party is currently led by Frauke Petry and Jörg Meuthen) and the right have France by the gonads.

Bye Bye to the EU?
Ok.
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How do we know we are the fastest growing economy

Maybe it's all just propagander . It could very well be moderately short term as well
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 View Post
they won't - ever

they are in denial

from the Financial Times

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Philip Hammond will admit to the largest deterioration in British public finances since 2011 in next week’s Autumn Statement when the official forecast will show the UK faces a £100bn bill for Brexit within five years.

Slower growth and lower-than-expected investment will hit tax revenues hard, the official forecasts will show, supporting the Treasury’s pre-referendum warnings that the long-term economic costs of Brexit are high.


the only interesting thing is too see who they blame
I think they will blame the remainians and EU for putting them in that position. Oh, and they'll blame the foreigners that may still continue to live here on their piece of earth.
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As the fastest growing economy in the EU we will leave the slowest growing economy in the world (Antarctica aside) which is the EU.
It is still only thought and opinion, even by a multi millionaire who has no real idea what to expect.

I expect it will hit some businesses badly, I suspect it will make others flourish. Whether it will balance for or against is unknown.
But it was also unknown if staying within the confines of a slow growing economy was in the end also going to have catastrophic results.
We had a trajectory which allowed us to make reasonable predictions about the future. The trajectory is now non-linear making the future almost impossible to predict. The former was a safer bet and if you can't see that, you can't recognise logic.
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As the fastest growing economy in the EU we will leave the slowest growing economy in the world (Antarctica aside) which is the EU.
This, presumably, is you regurgitating something Boris said before the referendum, ie that the EU had the slowest growth of any CONTINENT apart from Antarctica. Which was a dumb, stupid thing for him to say, as the EU isn't a continent, and Antarctica doesn't have an economy. Meaningless drivel, just a headline for his column in the Telegraph back in May, and you keep repeating it. If you really want to know what the slowest growing economies are, do yourself a favour and spend 2 minutes looking it up somewhere. Otherwise, you may appear to be a bit uninformed.

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We had a trajectory which allowed us to make reasonable predictions about the future. The trajectory is now non-linear making the future almost impossible to predict. The former was a safer bet and if you can't see that, you can't recognise logic.
Like Trump not winning the Presidency.
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Like Trump not winning the Presidency.
Elucidate.
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We had a trajectory which allowed us to make reasonable predictions about the future. The trajectory is now non-linear making the future almost impossible to predict. The former was a safer bet and if you can't see that, you can't recognise logic.


'Reasonable predictions' aren't much on which to base your hopes. But as you prefer the cold embrace of a gradually crumbling EU then at least the bitter end will come slowly and predictably. For those who expect to see their entire future stretching out before them Brexit is a system shock that requires a sense of adventure. But perhaps God is testing your resolve; embrace that!
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'Reasonable predictions' aren't much on which to base your hopes.
Planning for the future is something grown-ups do in a testable and considered fashion. Being hopeful, in this context, is akin to the wish thinking of a child.

But as you prefer the cold embrace of a gradually crumbling EU then at least the bitter end will come slowly and predictably.
The EU was going through a rocky patch, we could have stood firm and helped steady the ship, but we fled like rats and I 'reasonably predict' that history will judge us accordingly.

For those who expect to see their entire future stretching out before them Brexit is a system shock that requires a sense of adventure.
Captain Oats had a sense of adventure.

But perhaps God is testing your resolve; embrace that!
He's sovereign and I trust Him and I'm glad you've concluded on a sensible note.

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The current economic growth in the UK is mostly in the retail sector - funilly the sector that had been struggling the most pre-Brexit! The weak pound has made the UK quite attractive for shoppers. I've never had so many Germans asking me questions about buying online in the UK and shipping to Germany. I've also never known so many Germans taking weekend trips to the UK since Brexit, all taking adantage of it being so cheap at the moment and still in the EU!

As the UK retailers start to re-stock, then the weak pound will mean increased costs which will ultimately have to be passed onto the consumer. We're already seeing this with Marmite and reduced sized Toblerones. The retailers have been resisting price increases so far as the hard times pre-Brexit are still in their minds - noone wants to risk making the first move to put the prices up - but it will happen soon. The Savvy UK shoppers will also be buying now, expecting big price hikes in the near future.

As for Google and Facebook investing in new jobs in the UK, well there is two things to consider about these two companies. Firstly, the new jobs are a result of new headquarters being built in the UK, which was decided before Brexit. Secondly, if you consider what these companies do, they essentially sell advertising based on information they collect on their platforms. The adverts are always sold through local channels so it really doesn't matter where they develop their platforms as that side of the business is always loss making. Currently with the weak pound, you have cheaper labour costs in the UK, so the losses are therefore less in that sector of the business. Its really not a sign of a bright future for the UK post-Brexit that a couple of tech firms with no products to sell have stuck to their pre-Brexit plans!
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No no no , you cant go around telling the truth .

Youll be labelled a doomsday remoaner
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Planning for the future is something grown-ups do in a testable and considered fashion. Being hopeful, in this context, is akin to the wish thinking of a child.
So true.

Captain Oats had a sense of adventure
I find such juvenile sense of adventure akin to Don Quixote's.
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