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Old 12 March 2019, 03:20 PM
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It needs a bloody Aussie to tell if like it is ..!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8818996.html

Got a couple weeks

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Old 12 March 2019, 03:46 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47542011

Nissan cutting another two models from UK production!
Not entirely Brexit relation, but shows how the Japanese manufacturers have lost confidence in the UK as a manufacturing base.
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Old 12 March 2019, 03:57 PM
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https://euworthit.uk
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Old 12 March 2019, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere? View Post
<a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47542011">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47542011</a><br /><br />Nissan cutting another two models from UK production!<br />Not entirely Brexit relation, but shows how the Japanese manufacturers have lost confidence in the UK as a manufacturing base.
<br /><br />So not BREXIT related but initmating it is?<br />Or is it because the Japanese economy as been nose diving for years?<br />Or is this a BBC bias headline that is not actually mentioned in the article? Yes because if the factory was in Belgium it still would have happened.<br /><br /><em>"Nissan plans to end the production of two of its Infiniti cars at Sunderland.<br /><br />It's part of a bigger plan that involves pulling the Infiniti brand out of Western Europe. As a result the Q30 car and QX30 sports-utility vehicle will no longer be made in the UK."</em><br />

And going from diesel to electric.
"Western Europe remains the most challenging and competitive region for premium cars," Infiniti's chief spokesman, Trevor Hale, said.

Instead, Nissan plans to promote the Infiniti brand in the US and Chinese markets.

In the US it plans to focus Infiniti on sports-utility vehicles and in China it plans to launch five new vehicles.

The Infiniti line-up of cars will be electric from 2010 and diesel versions will be discontinued, the company said.


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Old 12 March 2019, 08:42 PM
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Defeated again lol...……. a 2nd ref is the only real option.
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Old 12 March 2019, 09:13 PM
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I find it quite funny how many people argue that a second referendum is undemocratic, yet don't complain about a second vote on Theresa Mays Brexit deal after the biggest government defeat in history.

If anything is undemocratic, its Theresa Mays persistance to a deal that has aboslutely no support in parliament from Brexiteers and Remainers alike!
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Old 12 March 2019, 10:13 PM
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I notice Theresa May actually said one of the options is to revoke Article 50,not heard her say that before
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Old 12 March 2019, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Fuji View Post
I notice Theresa May actually said one of the options is to revoke Article 50,not heard her say that before
She knows she will lose the vote tomorrow, so threatening no deal doesn't work any more, so she's now going for the other extreme and threatening no brexit!
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Old 13 March 2019, 12:05 AM
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Like i keep saying were never coming out.

Call it conspiracy but there never going to let us leave..

Its all one big agenda. From the day the vote result was read its been one big mission to change minds and force staying in the eu.

Ive said it for ages. We dont control our future we dont dont a choice and should we not come out which was the choice of the public that will just prove that point
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Old 13 March 2019, 02:39 AM
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All it proves is that the IQ of the house commons is higher than the national average
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Old 13 March 2019, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cuprajake View Post
Its not going to change, the main problem is theres no intergrstion. Theres pockets of people. Sadly no on mingles

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-475...ty-to-the-game

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Old 13 March 2019, 08:52 AM
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Wouldnt let me open it, just got redirected...

Btw does anyone else struggle with this new scoobynet format. Really doesnt like my mobile esp typing .
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Old 13 March 2019, 09:09 AM
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Cant stand mobile app , always revert to old site
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Old 13 March 2019, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cuprajake View Post
Like i keep saying were never coming out.

Call it conspiracy but there never going to let us leave..

Its all one big agenda. From the day the vote result was read its been one big mission to change minds and force staying in the eu.

Ive said it for ages. We dont control our future we dont dont a choice and should we not come out which was the choice of the public that will just prove that point
Depends on who you mean by 'they'. If you mean the EU, then they cannot stop us leaving. The issue is there is no good way to leave. The EU have been very consistent form the start, it's us that have fannied around for 2 years, in fighting.

If you mean our government, then possibly, yes, it has been a ruse to silence the far right all along. If that is the case, then it was a dangerous game to play with all the damage to the economy since the result. You'd think that simply trying to address the issues which have made it hard for so many would have been easier!
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Old 13 March 2019, 12:25 PM
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no im on about the rothchilds and andromonous lizard shape shifting people living with us in places of power, oh and the knights templar too


i had a customer in work who told me all that, thinks theres a plan for it all, all the gender stuff etc, was wacko....said first they start with the acceptance of gay/lesbian, then the gender assignment then onto manufacturing babies gender. he actually thinks we will come out, then the uk will be cut off before the start of ww3

these people exisit


sorry to go off on tangent haha

we have no real choice no matter what we say they will do what they want, big boys club and funny hand shakes...tbf may does look a bit lizardy....
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As a commentator said on news this morning - why should those in the commons get to vote on different / varying outcomes

When the popluation en masse does not

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Not democracy
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Old 13 March 2019, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cuprajake View Post
no im on about the rothchilds and andromonous lizard shape shifting people living with us in places of power, oh and the knights templar too


i had a customer in work who told me all that, thinks theres a plan for it all, all the gender stuff etc, was wacko....said first they start with the acceptance of gay/lesbian, then the gender assignment then onto manufacturing babies gender. he actually thinks we will come out, then the uk will be cut off before the start of ww3

these people exisit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coHAUHS3qFE

sorry to go off on tangent haha

we have no real choice no matter what we say they will do what they want, big boys club and funny hand shakes...tbf may does look a bit lizardy....

Just a bit childish isn it really

Nobody should be taking notice dumb yanks anyway
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Old 13 March 2019, 01:10 PM
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yeah, he was a full on born again christian, but totally crazy to me,

just bad photoshop hahaha

weve not long to wait now to see what happens, either way there not guna please everyone, so meh
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Old 13 March 2019, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb View Post
As a commentator said on news this morning - why should those in the commons get to vote on different / varying outcomes

When the popluation en masse does not

the goverment was voted in to make decisions for the UK, why should they consult the masses.
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Old 13 March 2019, 09:43 PM
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So...
1. the government offered a free vote on rejecting no deal on 29 March
2. the Prime Minister declared that she would vote for the motion to reject no deal
3. Parliament voted to accept an ammendment to reject no deal permanently.
4. The goverment imposed a three line whip to reject their own motion despite having promised a free vote and reversing their previous stance of supporting it.
5. Parliament voted to accept the motion to permanently reject no deal.
6. The government table an motion for tomorrow to extend article 50 IF Theresa Mays deal is not accepted by the house!

This government has really lost any control yet still seems to think it can plough on with Theresa Mays disaterous deal and go against the will of the parliament.

What a total joke this government is!
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Old 13 March 2019, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere? View Post
So...
1. the government offered a free vote on rejecting no deal on 29 March
2. the Prime Minister declared that she would vote for the motion to reject no deal
3. Parliament voted to accept an ammendment to reject no deal permanently.
4. The goverment imposed a three line whip to reject their own motion despite having promised a free vote and reversing their previous stance of supporting it.
5. Parliament voted to accept the motion to permanently reject no deal.
6. The government table an motion for tomorrow to extend article 50 IF Theresa Mays deal is not accepted by the house!

This government has really lost any control yet still seems to think it can plough on with Theresa Mays disaterous deal and go against the will of the parliament.

What a total joke this government is!
Snot our problem mate we do not live there.
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Surely a hard brexit was the best bargining tool they had?
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Well yes, it was the only ‘threat’ (if you believe if it were ever to invoked).

May’s deal: No
No deal: No

Yet another form of May’s deal is still on the table (to be voted down again and again and again), but no deal is totally off the table?

This is beyond ridiculous, can we petition the queen to dissolve parliament?






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Old 13 March 2019, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cuprajake View Post
Surely a hard brexit was the best bargining tool they had?
It's only a good bargaining chip if you're serious about using it. The reality is that the EU always knew that no deal was far more damaging to the UK than it would be for the EU, so it was always a very weak bargaining chip and almost certain a chip that they UK would be very unwilling to use.
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Originally Posted by Wurzel View Post
Snot our problem mate we do not live there.
As long as we're still British, it is still our problem wherever we live. ...at least until we have to give up our UK passports
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Old 14 March 2019, 10:08 AM
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Surely a hard brexit was the best bargining tool they had?
I don't think it was, because although no deal was damaging for the EU, it was nowhere near as damaging as it was for us, and I imagine that the EU had plans in place for no deal, unlike us! They would rather accept damage limtiation exercise with no deal than to give up their principles of the organisation they were defending. No matter what you think of the EU, they did stick to their guns, unlike TM!

We are now in the laughable position that Parliament has rejected:

A customs union
A norway type deal
No deal
TM's deal

That doesn't leave much room for manoeuvre! Unless they revoke, or go back to the people and suck up whatever they vote for, no matter how unpalatable it may be, but I think another referendum would only present remain or something so **** that remain is the only real option.
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So what happens if they go against the original vote, call for another referendum and the people vote leave again? What do we do then? It's going to be a hard Brexit.

The longer this goes on, the less certain I am that another vote would mean remain. If by some chance it's the narrowest of margins for remain then can you imagine the public frustration from the leavers and general country discord? It's not going to be a nice place to live for a while. Besides, this whole process has already massively damaged our country regardless of the end result now.
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I think the question for another referendum would have to be very specific, otherwise we just end up in this mess again!
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