So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
That's the issue though. We've proven that the EU are difficult to negotiate with, they have set out their marker and stood hard and fast by their decision and terms. Regardless of a delay in Brexit or 2nd referendum result their position will not change, so what's the point?
So what are the options for a 2nd referendum? Remain or get behind the deal that nobody wants to back? Or hard Brexit? Realistically these are still our only options here.
Madness.
So what are the options for a 2nd referendum? Remain or get behind the deal that nobody wants to back? Or hard Brexit? Realistically these are still our only options here.
Madness.
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Im damn sure most brexiters hadnt thought through the economic consequences and on a second ref would go for a Norway deal
as would remainers
And now that the hard brexiters are out the way , cant see why not
as would remainers
And now that the hard brexiters are out the way , cant see why not
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I thought the last referendum question was clear enough: In or out.
Out..as presented by that lovely pamphlet we working folk all paid for implied a hard exit and basically WTO rules and implied any negation would be based on that WTO model (to quote Obama before TTIP...we’ll be at the back of the queue).
What is now being presented is pretty much a variation of remaining. That is not what was implied by the referendum campaigns on either side and certainly not what remain or leave voters voted for: I voted remain based on being told leaving would mean WTO amongst other issues that would occur from a hard exit from the EU.
There was nothing wrong with the question, but plenty wrong with those who are supposed act on that result.
Please, can some ex IRA/IS nut job just bomb the commons next time they have PMQs, wipe the f**king lot out so the rest of the country can have a proper chance at getting a new party and fresh thinking into governance.
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I have a very good ex-pat friend living in Norway - he is not a great fan. In fact many Norwegians are not fans either.
I know leave voters that still think we're going to be offered a magic deal that's exactly what we want and who are totally against a hard brexit because that's not what they wanted originally.
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2 or 3 years is very optimistic too! Even Reece-Mogg estimates 5 to 10 years!
The reality is, even if we can recover to where we are today, we will never recover the losses of the next years!
But at least we'll be able to say "Hurrah, we stuck it to those Johnny foreigners" as we're limping around on our crutches!
How absolutely ridiculous! This has been the problem with the Brexiteers all along; they've never presented a realistic strategy of how taking back control is ever going to make us better off! The only plan is just close your eyes and hope for the best because WE'RE BRITISH! HURRAH!
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Just think of the NHS benefit if we import US chicken
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Maybe that's the strategy to cure the ageing population problem for the NHS. They want everyone to die in their late 50's due to obesity related problems from all the cheap crap food from the US
It's clear we'd see little direct benefit from Trump's great trade deal, so maybe all the benefits are in kind.
On a side note, when do we sign up as the 51st state?
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don't forget the hormone injected beef!
Maybe that's the strategy to cure the ageing population problem for the NHS. They want everyone to die in their late 50's due to obesity related problems from all the cheap crap food from the US
It's clear we'd see little direct benefit from Trump's great trade deal, so maybe all the benefits are in kind.
On a side note, when do we sign up as the 51st state?
Maybe that's the strategy to cure the ageing population problem for the NHS. They want everyone to die in their late 50's due to obesity related problems from all the cheap crap food from the US
It's clear we'd see little direct benefit from Trump's great trade deal, so maybe all the benefits are in kind.
On a side note, when do we sign up as the 51st state?
Meanwhile I’ll drink chlorinated tap water, swim in chlorinated swimming pools, clean with cleaners containing chlorine and disinfect baby bottles with it too (milton is just a chlorine tablet).
At least we don’t pump our chickens full of antibiotics (down by over 70% over the past few years) mind, that’s because they don’t work anymore from overusing them (and probably why I’m no longer allergic to eggs
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Look, over the past few years over 19% of UK chicken had a contamination level high enough to give you more than just the squits. Lovely
Meanwhile I’ll drink chlorinated tap water, swim in chlorinated swimming pools, clean with cleaners containing chlorine and disinfect baby bottles with it too (milton is just a chlorine tablet).
At least we don’t pump our chickens full of antibiotics (down by over 70% over the past few years) mind, that’s because they don’t work anymore from overusing them (and probably why I’m no longer allergic to eggs
)Anyway, anyone who is really looking forward to chlorinated chicked will now have to wait a bit longer because we're no leaving on March 29th.
So simply because we're brave and proud, we should inflict years of self harm on ourselves?
2 or 3 years is very optimistic too! Even Reece-Mogg estimates 5 to 10 years!
The reality is, even if we can recover to where we are today, we will never recover the losses of the next years!
But at least we'll be able to say "Hurrah, we stuck it to those Johnny foreigners" as we're limping around on our crutches!
How absolutely ridiculous! This has been the problem with the Brexiteers all along; they've never presented a realistic strategy of how taking back control is ever going to make us better off! The only plan is just close your eyes and hope for the best because WE'RE BRITISH! HURRAH!
2 or 3 years is very optimistic too! Even Reece-Mogg estimates 5 to 10 years!
The reality is, even if we can recover to where we are today, we will never recover the losses of the next years!
But at least we'll be able to say "Hurrah, we stuck it to those Johnny foreigners" as we're limping around on our crutches!
How absolutely ridiculous! This has been the problem with the Brexiteers all along; they've never presented a realistic strategy of how taking back control is ever going to make us better off! The only plan is just close your eyes and hope for the best because WE'RE BRITISH! HURRAH!
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Oh I fully understand, I just want UK chicken to be even cleaner than it is of current, rather than it contaminating everything it touches prior to cooking. Fridge, chopping board utensils etc.
Oh well better go munch on a raw carrot...no wait, they’re washed in chlorine too! Must be the UK has poor carrot welfare standards
I digress, this is all really subterfuge as I want zero tariff imports so I can finally import a brand new Tremec T-56 with a custom bellhousing, something that is pure unobtainium within Europe, hell I’d make do with a TKO-600 with a close ratio gearset but even getting that with the custom bellhousing and shift adaptor/extension is like unicorn farts. I could codge it with a aincient Getrag 265, but its a poor alternative as they have a stupid tree-stump pulling 1st with a massive 2nd gear drop and whine under load like your missus.
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Oh I fully understand, I just want UK chicken to be even cleaner than it is of current, rather than it contaminating everything it touches prior to cooking. Fridge, chopping board utensils etc.
Oh well better go munch on a raw carrot...no wait, they’re washed in chlorine too! Must be the UK has poor carrot welfare standards
I digress, this is all really subterfuge as I want zero tariff imports so I can finally import a brand new Tremec T-56 with a custom bellhousing, something that is pure unobtainium within Europe, hell I’d make do with a TKO-600 with a close ratio gearset but even getting that with the custom bellhousing and shift adaptor/extension is like unicorn farts. I could codge it with a aincient Getrag 265, but its a poor alternative as they have a stupid tree-stump pulling 1st with a massive 2nd gear drop and whine under load like your missus.
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don't forget the hormone injected beef!
Maybe that's the strategy to cure the ageing population problem for the NHS. They want everyone to die in their late 50's due to obesity related problems from all the cheap crap food from the US
It's clear we'd see little direct benefit from Trump's great trade deal, so maybe all the benefits are in kind.
On a side note, when do we sign up as the 51st state?
Maybe that's the strategy to cure the ageing population problem for the NHS. They want everyone to die in their late 50's due to obesity related problems from all the cheap crap food from the US
It's clear we'd see little direct benefit from Trump's great trade deal, so maybe all the benefits are in kind.
On a side note, when do we sign up as the 51st state?
The US already as a 51st - it's called Puerto Rico.