So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
10 July 2018, 11:30 AM
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10 July 2018, 11:50 AM
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there was a vote, the question was shall we stay or leave. the majority voted to leave.
It's not exactly hard to understand is it lol
10 July 2018, 11:57 AM
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10 July 2018, 12:06 PM
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It may be temporary suicide...… she may lose the next election but when the oldies are finally dead then the younger generation who massively voted to stay would not forget and she (or whoever else) can run on "I put you first and made us stay". I am sure they would be back in power with a huge win. But this is the real problem with politicians only caring about their own need to be important rather than what is best for the future of the country
We will never go back into the EU.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
10 July 2018, 12:15 PM
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The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.
The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.
It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.
10 July 2018, 12:15 PM
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We will never go back into the EU.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
'Never' is a very long time!
I love the idea that there are only 2 outcomes, either the EU fails, or becomes all powerful. I'm pretty sure neither of those extremes are likely.
10 July 2018, 12:18 PM
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What do you call an EU army then?
10 July 2018, 12:20 PM
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thats irrelevant in this sense, we dont know and wont know for prob 10 years, if you are claiming to have a crystal ball and know the future then by all means share away. Simply put you don't know the outcome, no one does, its all guess work and spreading fear of doom and gloom.
The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.
The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.
It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.
The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.
The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.
It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.
Like I said, we are leaving, that is the only way forward, we cannot ignore the result of the vote.
Now we need to be grown-ups about how we actually do that.
Stating that there is some kind of unified 'leaver view' on this is ridiculous. As ridiculous as saying all remainers believed the EU to be a wonderful institution that should never change.
10 July 2018, 12:22 PM
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10 July 2018, 01:06 PM
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Like I said, we are leaving, that is the only way forward, we cannot ignore the result of the vote.
Now we need to be grown-ups about how we actually do that.
Stating that there is some kind of unified 'leaver view' on this is ridiculous. As ridiculous as saying all remainers believed the EU to be a wonderful institution that should never change.
Now we need to be grown-ups about how we actually do that.
Stating that there is some kind of unified 'leaver view' on this is ridiculous. As ridiculous as saying all remainers believed the EU to be a wonderful institution that should never change.
10 July 2018, 01:37 PM
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It's almost as if the question was far too simplistic..........
10 July 2018, 01:39 PM
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EU have already said you cant pick and choose, so its leave it all
10 July 2018, 01:48 PM
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They said we cannot have our cake and it eat it, and you can understand that, realistically, you could have them (and the ECJ was wrong, sorry, it's EFTA) and still not be in the EU.
So we may still get a Norway type deal, which would be just fine (well, as opposed to the no deal disaster people advocate!)
So we may still get a Norway type deal, which would be just fine (well, as opposed to the no deal disaster people advocate!)
10 July 2018, 01:48 PM
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thats irrelevant in this sense, we dont know and wont know for prob 10 years, if you are claiming to have a crystal ball and know the future then by all means share away. Simply put you don't know the outcome, no one does, its all guess work and spreading fear of doom and gloom.
The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.
The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.
It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.
The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.
The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.
It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.
10 July 2018, 01:55 PM
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We will never go back into the EU.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
Just a rather horrible scapegoat for general failings in the various countries
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10 July 2018, 02:55 PM
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10 July 2018, 04:21 PM
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It has to evolve into its desired state or die. What is the point of it otherwise. A level of bureaucracy which costs a chunk of money to run, highly wasteful, can't control migration or countries finance, because others won't share debt.
Members either surrender their national identity, laws and finance or change the back to what it started out with a economic trading block, nothing more. Can't see it lasting in current structure
Members either surrender their national identity, laws and finance or change the back to what it started out with a economic trading block, nothing more. Can't see it lasting in current structure
10 July 2018, 04:23 PM
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The real reason of course the old codgers here want out of course
Being overrun by the Hun, if not that then darkies, if not that then the turks, if not that then the Bulgarians and lastly the Polish - who have given the finger already
Being overrun by the Hun, if not that then darkies, if not that then the turks, if not that then the Bulgarians and lastly the Polish - who have given the finger already
10 July 2018, 05:47 PM
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I really don't have a problem with a united states of Europe. This notion that we're somehow different or better because we just happened to be born on one side or another of some imaginary line is really quite pathetic. It makes no difference to me where my taxes are set or who creates the laws as long as its all done democratically.
In reality, a united Europe would be a devolved federal system similar to the current devolved UK states, the German federal system or the USA. Some taxes and laws will be set centrally and others will be set locally.
In reality, a united Europe would be a devolved federal system similar to the current devolved UK states, the German federal system or the USA. Some taxes and laws will be set centrally and others will be set locally.
11 July 2018, 08:39 AM
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11 July 2018, 06:38 PM
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We will never go back into the EU.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.
There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.
The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.
It is true the EU benefits mainly Germany and France but the way the Brexit "deal" seems to go UK will be seriously impacted if they introduce customs, a country can't survive on services only (and UK hourly charges).
Since UK doesn't use the € (which is a borrowed currency from the ECB) it's not as bad as other european countries have it.
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12 July 2018, 08:39 AM
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