did you miss the result of the vote or something?

 

Eu would have to approve that and i doubt they would without givng away more power and money to them.

 

That's a dumb answer to a serious question - I suspect because you don't like the implications of the answer you'd have to give.

 

are you stupid or something?

there was a vote, the question was shall we stay or leave. the majority voted to leave.

It's not exactly hard to understand is it lol

 

We are leaving, that wasn't the point though was it?


What is 'hard to understand' is how, and at what cost?

 

We will never go back into the EU.

If the EU survives, it is a political project to merge all members(countries) into one entity, with control over finance and laws.

There is great resistance to merge financial debt between each country, especially the Germans, to which the EU works wonderfully selling their products to other members. The EU project was bubbling along until mass immigration became a real issue for some countries. Now with African economic migration causing absolute mayhem and many countries refusing to accept any of these economic migrants. Germany (Merkel) made a huge mistake saying they would accept a million migrants and others should too. Germany is now trying to send back those to first country of entry- the likes of Italy, Greece, Austria, Czech republic won't accept them. Huge resentment for not receiving financial/logistical help to deal with this issue. Now many countries have now right wing government and are becoming even more resistant to EU interference.

The deal we had being inside the EU was the best deal we had for staying. We won't have our own currency or laws or control over financial institutions if we were ever thinking of returning. That would be politically unpalitible once We've tasted freedom.

 

thats irrelevant in this sense, we dont know and wont know for prob 10 years, if you are claiming to have a crystal ball and know the future then by all means share away. Simply put you don't know the outcome, no one does, its all guess work and spreading fear of doom and gloom.

The vote was a simple stay or go, not stay if we can't get a deal we like. If we can't get a decent deal we leave without one.

The opposition and the remainers in the UK have done nothing but cause delays and weaken our position. It has to be said it's prob their actions that have made the deal worse than it could have been.

It also doesnt help when it becomes a name calling argument, which is whats going on on here.

 

'Never' is a very long time!


I love the idea that there are only 2 outcomes, either the EU fails, or becomes all powerful. I'm pretty sure neither of those extremes are likely.

 

It's a very very rocky time for the EU, if the divisions continue to spread it will crumble.

What do you call an EU army then?

 

Like I said, we are leaving, that is the only way forward, we cannot ignore the result of the vote.


Now we need to be grown-ups about how we actually do that.


Stating that there is some kind of unified 'leaver view' on this is ridiculous. As ridiculous as saying all remainers believed the EU to be a wonderful institution that should never change.

 

'Le Army'?

 

Once We've left and settled, the EU will be a distant memory. People/business will just get the on with their lives

 

the unified view was to leave, the ate is fixed, if the deal cant be sorted by then we leave with no deal. its pretty simple.

 

Slightly less concerning than 'Ze Army'!

 

Yes, and if we leave the EU but still have a customs union, or still accept the ECj, or still have freedom of movement, we will still have left the EU. What's your issue?

It's almost as if the question was far too simplistic..........

 

EU have already said you cant pick and choose, so its leave it all

 

They said we cannot have our cake and it eat it, and you can understand that, realistically, you could have them (and the ECJ was wrong, sorry, it's EFTA) and still not be in the EU.

So we may still get a Norway type deal, which would be just fine (well, as opposed to the no deal disaster people advocate!)

 

How has any of it weakened our position or slowed down the exit date

 

So to lend some context , thats a 500 hundreth of the EU population.

Just a rather horrible scapegoat for general failings in the various countries

 

The Fourth Reich?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-being-fired/

 

The Empire v The Rebel Alliance

 

It has to evolve into its desired state or die. What is the point of it otherwise. A level of bureaucracy which costs a chunk of money to run, highly wasteful, can't control migration or countries finance, because others won't share debt.

Members either surrender their national identity, laws and finance or change the back to what it started out with a economic trading block, nothing more. Can't see it lasting in current structure

 

The real reason of course the old codgers here want out of course

Being overrun by the Hun, if not that then darkies, if not that then the turks, if not that then the Bulgarians and lastly the Polish - who have given the finger already

 

I really don't have a problem with a united states of Europe. This notion that we're somehow different or better because we just happened to be born on one side or another of some imaginary line is really quite pathetic. It makes no difference to me where my taxes are set or who creates the laws as long as its all done democratically.

In reality, a united Europe would be a devolved federal system similar to the current devolved UK states, the German federal system or the USA. Some taxes and laws will be set centrally and others will be set locally.

 

Steady on. Not all of us old codgers want out, not by a long shot. I don't know anyone in my age group who doesn't think leaving is the craziest, stupidest idea ever, not in my city at any rate.

 

~40% voted to leave in Bristol so there are plenty of folk you could talk to

 

would be nice to see us beat the frogs in the world cup a final brexit insult

 

Looking at last night's performance form the French against England's yawn fests, that seems unlikely, but you never know!

 

A correction in the above, Greece is the major country of entry of immigrants to the EU and we've had more than 1m immigrants arrive in a year, let alone the ones that are sent back from other european countries. It's part of the Lisbon treaty that Greece has signed unfortunately.

It is true the EU benefits mainly Germany and France but the way the Brexit "deal" seems to go UK will be seriously impacted if they introduce customs, a country can't survive on services only (and UK hourly charges).

Since UK doesn't use the € (which is a borrowed currency from the ECB) it's not as bad as other european countries have it.

 

date hasnt changed which is the point.

as far as weakening your position i didnt think it would need explaining