Stiffest sidewalls..?
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Stiffest sidewalls..?
This was raised in a recent thread, however, as I'm soon to be looking for some replacements for the Toyo T1-R's I thought I'd try and do some research..
Basically, I've been quite happy with the Toyo's (after the initial 300 miles or so), but I felt that the Bridgestone RE050's that were originally on had stiffer sidewalls as turn in felt sharper. Bare in mind they were also 215/45 17's v's 225/40 18 T1-R's..!
Ultimately I'd love to try some RE070's, as I like the feel of stiff sidewalled tyres, but they don't come in 18's.. , so how do the likes of PS2's & Eagles compare..?
I was under the impression that T1-R's were quite stiff, but it's been said they're actually quite soft..!
Any thoughts..?
Also, does anyone know if Costco have any Michelin deals on the horizon..?
Basically, I've been quite happy with the Toyo's (after the initial 300 miles or so), but I felt that the Bridgestone RE050's that were originally on had stiffer sidewalls as turn in felt sharper. Bare in mind they were also 215/45 17's v's 225/40 18 T1-R's..!
Ultimately I'd love to try some RE070's, as I like the feel of stiff sidewalled tyres, but they don't come in 18's.. , so how do the likes of PS2's & Eagles compare..?
I was under the impression that T1-R's were quite stiff, but it's been said they're actually quite soft..!
Any thoughts..?
Also, does anyone know if Costco have any Michelin deals on the horizon..?
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Jase,
I run the Toyos and find them good too. There is some excess wear on the tread nearest to the outside sidewalls, although when I got the Prodrive springs my stealer warned me of this possibility.
I did quite a a bit of searching (ie for hours !) re tyres when I was buying them. Other than the Toyos, most highly recommended come the Michelin PS2s and Goodyear F1s (but with the stiffer 91w rated sidewalls). Best budget seems to be the Vredsteins and Falkens.
HTH mate,
Andy Mc
I run the Toyos and find them good too. There is some excess wear on the tread nearest to the outside sidewalls, although when I got the Prodrive springs my stealer warned me of this possibility.
I did quite a a bit of searching (ie for hours !) re tyres when I was buying them. Other than the Toyos, most highly recommended come the Michelin PS2s and Goodyear F1s (but with the stiffer 91w rated sidewalls). Best budget seems to be the Vredsteins and Falkens.
HTH mate,
Andy Mc
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Seems that 91W rated tyres (or better) are ideal on Scoobs. Any thoughts ?
Also, does the RE070 lose some wet weather performance as a result, when compared with the Goodyears, etc ?
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Originally Posted by jasonius
Also, does anyone know if Costco have any Michelin deals on the horizon..?
Buy 4 and get £50 off for 18" and above
Buy 4 and get £30 off for 16" & 17"
PS have only experience of RE050, T1R, F1 & F1 XL. Of the lot the 91Y rated XL is the best I've used - much better 'feel' than any of the others. Grip and all round ability not in question (unlike some of the others tried & IMHO ).
Haven't had the pleasure of the RE070s tho so of limited help I'm afraid!
Cheers,
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Have to agree with frayz on the 070's had my local tyre fitter change them onto another set off wheels for trackdays and put a set of toyoR888's on my road wheels the toyo's were easy to fit but the brigestones were a real bitch to take off and put back on the track wheels due to the stiffness in the sidewalls I also found the 070's were more stable on track in cornering no flex in the sidewalls the car felt more planted if you know what I mean.
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Have to agree with frayz on the 070's had my local tyre fitter change them onto another set off wheels for trackdays and put a set of toyoR888's on my road wheels the toyo's were easy to fit but the brigestones were a real bitch to take off and put back on the track wheels due to the stiffness in the sidewalls I also found the 070's were more stable on track in cornering no flex in the sidewalls the car felt more planted if you know what I mean.
Bang on mate, the car feels soooooo much more solid on the RE070s. Like youre actually connected to the road as opposed to just riding over it. Sounds a bit gay but go drive on a set and you'll know what i mean.
Get them hot/sticky on a track and theyre absolutely astonishing
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Another to Totally agree in fact ALL Bridgestone RE040/50/70 are Hard side walled it took 2 fitters and a machine to get the 45 series RE070's off , told if I got 40-35 series of the same don't bring them there but the downside hard side walls of course is the Tramling.
I did find the 18" Pilot Sports 2 very good unlike its predessor the Pilot sport it had a BAD reputation
On the track normally drop fronts to 18 and backs to 25 and do 4 laps and recheck as if go out on standard pressure after 2 laps fronts over 48 and backs 42 and handling like a Pig
IIRC IMHO
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As previously mentioned, the Bridgestone Potenza line currently has some of the stiffest sidewalls on the market.
The Toyos, F1s, Fk452s and Dunlops all seem to run quite soft sidewalls. Yokohama seem to have some quite sturdy sidewalls in their range but I don't know enough about them to recommend.
The Toyos, F1s, Fk452s and Dunlops all seem to run quite soft sidewalls. Yokohama seem to have some quite sturdy sidewalls in their range but I don't know enough about them to recommend.
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I saw the tyre fitter off the floor holding onto the bar trying to get replacement re 011 on the wheel (Puncture). They said he would have a word with the guy to see if he would fit them as they were 17" but they wouldn`t touch them if they were 18".
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Had a Costo deals booklet sent through last week - looks like they're doing deals on Michelins at the end of October for 4 weeks.
Buy 4 and get £50 off for 18" and above
Buy 4 and get £30 off for 16" & 17"
PS have only experience of RE050, T1R, F1 & F1 XL. Of the lot the 91Y rated XL is the best I've used - much better 'feel' than any of the others. Grip and all round ability not in question (unlike some of the others tried & IMHO ).
Haven't had the pleasure of the RE070s tho so of limited help I'm afraid!
Cheers,
Stewart.
Buy 4 and get £50 off for 18" and above
Buy 4 and get £30 off for 16" & 17"
PS have only experience of RE050, T1R, F1 & F1 XL. Of the lot the 91Y rated XL is the best I've used - much better 'feel' than any of the others. Grip and all round ability not in question (unlike some of the others tried & IMHO ).
Haven't had the pleasure of the RE070s tho so of limited help I'm afraid!
Cheers,
Stewart.
Do they do the PS2 at Cosco..?
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Originally Posted by jasonius
That's interesting .
Do they do the PS2 at Cosco..?
Do they do the PS2 at Cosco..?
Unkown fella - reckon that would be a stock question for your nearest Costco warehouse BUT my previous experience with Costco's tyre fitting department has been that if it's not in stock and Michelin make it, they'll get it for you. HTH .
Cheers,
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can't comment on toyo but the F1's on my classic felt softer than the PS2 (and that's on the heavier newage) maybe the stiffer sidewall would be of benefit. personally prefered the grip of the F1.
i may be wrong but i thought litchfield could get 18" reo70's as it's jap spec size? if you do get these though be prepared to be hated by every tyre fitter that has to get these off
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speaking from experience mate? it's a great way to be hated, walking in with these tyres
my local place had the right **** when i picked up my rims and all they had to do was take them off, but the refurb guys i used didn't even bat an eylid though. maybe there's a nack to it
my local place had the right **** when i picked up my rims and all they had to do was take them off, but the refurb guys i used didn't even bat an eylid though. maybe there's a nack to it
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I have always gone for F1s as I like the way the progressively lose grip in the dry and especialy the way they behave in the wet.
The side walls are softer and they dont seem to last that well as a tyre.
RE070s could be a good alternative for me to try at some point.
What are they like in the wet - are they as good as F1s?
Anyone used both? Would you go for RE070s over the F1s?
Steve
The side walls are softer and they dont seem to last that well as a tyre.
RE070s could be a good alternative for me to try at some point.
What are they like in the wet - are they as good as F1s?
Anyone used both? Would you go for RE070s over the F1s?
Steve
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I have always gone for F1s as I like the way the progressively lose grip in the dry and especialy the way they behave in the wet.
The side walls are softer and they dont seem to last that well as a tyre.
RE070s could be a good alternative for me to try at some point.
What are they like in the wet - are they as good as F1s?
Anyone used both? Would you go for RE070s over the F1s?
Steve
The side walls are softer and they dont seem to last that well as a tyre.
RE070s could be a good alternative for me to try at some point.
What are they like in the wet - are they as good as F1s?
Anyone used both? Would you go for RE070s over the F1s?
Steve
to answer your questions, are they as good as f1s in the wet? no
would i go for the reo70 over the f1? yes.
i don't run them thru the winter (run PS2) but if you can live with a bit of tip-toeing around in the winter they will bring a smile to your face like no other tyre come summer time
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A lot of the re0x0 range seem to have the same traits, even back to the RE010 I drove on many years ago. Quite hard tyres, average to poor in the cold and wet but if you can stick a bit of heat into them in the summer they come alive and reward you with one of the best driving experiences you could ask for.
I've RE040s on the 350z, and if a wet winter wasn't coming I'd be putting on RE050 / RE070s.
I think this says it all: Tyre Bridgestone Potenza RE040 reviews - online ratings for car and track tires
I've RE040s on the 350z, and if a wet winter wasn't coming I'd be putting on RE050 / RE070s.
I think this says it all: Tyre Bridgestone Potenza RE040 reviews - online ratings for car and track tires
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