scarey

liverpool and chelsea are in same group!!

full draw here....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f...pe/4182054.stm

davegtt

GROUP A
Bayern Munich
Juventus
Club Brugge
Rapid Vienna

GROUP B
ARSENAL
Ajax
Sparta Prague
Thun

GROUP C
Barcelona
Panathinaikos
Werder Bremen
Udinese

GROUP D
MAN UTD
Villarreal
Lille
Benfica

GROUP E
AC Milan
PSV Eindhoven
Schalke
Fenerbahce

GROUP F
Real Madrid
Lyon
Olympiakos
Rosenborg

GROUP G
LIVERPOOL
CHELSEA
Anderlecht
Real Betis

GROUP H
Inter Milan
Porto
RANGERS
Artmedia Bratislava

VR46

Liverpool are out 1st round then hehehe

C'omn Arsenal!!!

Reality

How come Chelski weren't "top seeds" - qualifying as champions obviously counts for **** all - If uefa think you're ****e - you're ****e


Up the ****
CFH

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

It's based on your past 5 years (I think) in the CL and you also get points depending on the country you qualify from.

pauld37

Revenge will be sweet

pauld37

Still, Chelsea being semi finalists the last two seasons and quarters the year before seems to make a mockery of the way its seeded

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

On current form yes i agree but it's the way they do it and to be fair it's worked well. it's only becuase you've had millions of pounds invested in such a short time that you have moved up to that level. not a common thing.

CrisPDuk

Just like they went out in the semi's last year

CrisPDuk

Then when we do get through, will we again be hearing the Fulham Ruskies harping on about it being the easiest group

pauld37

But its not current form if its three seasons ago. How did it work well last season? with Liverpool, Chelsea and Inter in the semis?

Ted Maul

It appears that 3,4 and 5 years ago you didn't get many points

pauld37

Sure we must of got more points than you though, seeing as your so ****e in Europe .

Nice to see you posting in the sports section again Ted, not had much to shout about recently?

mmmiddy

Last 5 Seasons Points - All Uefa Competitions

00/01 - 01/02 - 02/03 - 03/04 - 04/05

Liverpool = 27.675 - 22.819 - 20.520 - 14.713 - 30.13
Man United = 22.675 - 28.819 - 26.520 - 15.713 - 17.139
Arsenal = 23.675 - 15.819 - 17.520 - 17.712 - 19.139
Newcastle United = 4.675 - 3.818 - 15.520 - 24.712 - 27.139
Chelsea = 6.675 - 8.819 - 5.520 - 22.712 - 25.139

This Seasons Ranking
Pot 1 coef.
------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) * Eng 115.864
Real Madrid Esp 131.326
AC Milan Ita 121.191
FC Barcelona Esp 117.326
Manchester United *** Eng 110.864
Internazionale *** Ita 101.191
Bayern München Ger 97.166
Arsenal Eng 93.864

Pot 2 coef.
------------------------ --- -------
FC Porto Por 93.739
Juventus Ita 93.191
PSV Eindhoven Ned 84.145
Olympique Lyon Fra 81.324
Panathinaikos *** Gre 70.714
Chelsea Eng 68.864
Villarreal *** Esp 58.326
Ajax *** Ned 52.145


Pot 3 coef.
------------------------ --- -------
Club Brugge *** Bel 50.476
Anderlecht ** Bel 47.476
Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 46.714
Schalke '04 Ger 44.166
Sparta Praha Cze 43.223
Lille OSC Fra 41.324
Glasgow Rangers *** Sco 40.476
Werder Bremen *** Ger 40.166

Pot 4 coef.
------------------------ --- -------
Benfica Por 36.739
Rosenborg BK *** Nor 36.665
Real Betis *** Esp 34.326
Udinese *** Ita 30.191
Fenerbahçe Tur 23.872
Rapid Wien ** Aut 15.208
FC Thun ** Sui 6.887
FC Petrzalka * Svk 4.850

pauld37

So the points that seed teams in the Champions League, takes into account points gained from UEFA Cup and Inter Toto Cup?

Oh well, no wonder Liverpool have got so many

Newcastle got two more points for reaching the semi of the UEFA Cuo, than Chelsea did for reaching the semi of the Champions League, how mad is that!!!!

Reality

Paul - If uefa were to apply the "jammy *******" co-efficient then Chelsea would just be handed the trophy now .

You're ****e and uefa know you are

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

The fact is it's a compertition for big clubs who have a rich history in Europe. not for clubs who are nobodies in the grand scheme of world football

pauld37

Its just a competition for has beens?
History says Chelsea have been in the last two semis

pauld37

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

means nothing unless you win it

NAF

Winning it 5 times even . . .

pauld37

Though if you are flukey enough to win it, your not nessesarily good enough to be in it the next year

pauld37

In 5 years time I can say the same

Reality

oh dear oh dear - we had some Man Ure fan saying how Ruud was gonna be player of the year 20 years running and how the scum were gonna win everything

5 years from now you will be saying - "but we'll have Nottingham Forest in the replay"

rizla06

Gazza_is_the_man

I reckon Chelsea will win it. They have almost the perfect squad, and I reckon they will get a new striker in January just to help out! So unfair- all that money more compared to other teams