Dealer Denial?
10 December 2012, 05:23 PM
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Dealer Denial?
I went to the local dealership to pick up some supplies from their agricultural store. Whilst I was there I thought it would be rude not to check out the showroom.
Now into double figures for scoob ownership - a mix of WRX (JDM and UK), UK Turbo's and STi's (JDM and UK) - I currently have the only 2.5l which I have owned (Spec D). Needless to say, it is the only one that has had mechanical failure...namely blown HG. The car is a totally standard PPP version. Even after the engine rebuild, it still drinks oil like there is no tomorrow.
Anyway, I asked the dealer if they had fixed the problem with the 2.5l engine on the new STi. I was quite taken back when he quite aggressively said ' what problem - there has never been a problem as far as Subaru are concerned'. Now I know this is probably party line, etc, but after 10 scoobs I expected a little bit more of a civilised answer...after all I am desperate to replace the Spec D with another Subuaru. I also can't believe that they haven't 'fixed' the issues with this lump?
Looks like the Dark Side beckons - and that really pains me to say that...
Sorry - I don't really want to start another debate on the reliability of the 2.5l or an Evo v Scoob war...I just wanted to post because, to be honest, I feel a little bit sad
Now into double figures for scoob ownership - a mix of WRX (JDM and UK), UK Turbo's and STi's (JDM and UK) - I currently have the only 2.5l which I have owned (Spec D). Needless to say, it is the only one that has had mechanical failure...namely blown HG. The car is a totally standard PPP version. Even after the engine rebuild, it still drinks oil like there is no tomorrow.
Anyway, I asked the dealer if they had fixed the problem with the 2.5l engine on the new STi. I was quite taken back when he quite aggressively said ' what problem - there has never been a problem as far as Subaru are concerned'. Now I know this is probably party line, etc, but after 10 scoobs I expected a little bit more of a civilised answer...after all I am desperate to replace the Spec D with another Subuaru. I also can't believe that they haven't 'fixed' the issues with this lump?
Looks like the Dark Side beckons - and that really pains me to say that...
Sorry - I don't really want to start another debate on the reliability of the 2.5l or an Evo v Scoob war...I just wanted to post because, to be honest, I feel a little bit sad
10 December 2012, 05:54 PM
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Totally agree mate.Ive had a classic and now have a blob,and would love to upgrade to a hawk or hatch in the not so distant future but there is no chance of this,all because of that bloody 2.5 lump of ****e! 
10 December 2012, 07:07 PM
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The issues with the 2.5 isn't fixable. Well, not without a complete new engine block design.
The thickness of the cylinder wall is cut away so much to make clearance for the cylinder head bolts that there is insufficient area to have a gasket clamp down AND remain pressure tight for the life of the engine.
Put simply...the bores are too big for the block.
The added issue is when running high BHP the cylinders move around.
Thats not to say its unreliable, but its a weak spot, that will fail should there be any anomoly with the cooling system or engine tune. Be it a air lock caused by a leak elsewhere or a cylinder running a bit lean/hot, or manky (acidic) coolant, these problems will manifest by causing a failure at that weakest point.
Yes it can be improved by using studs, higher torque settings and different gaskets but in the end of the day the design flaw is still there. Maybe a closed deck would cure it and thats what some tuners try and do to stop the cylinder moving, but if closed deck is the answer, why did Subaru go from closed to deck to open deck?
The thickness of the cylinder wall is cut away so much to make clearance for the cylinder head bolts that there is insufficient area to have a gasket clamp down AND remain pressure tight for the life of the engine.
Put simply...the bores are too big for the block.
The added issue is when running high BHP the cylinders move around.
Thats not to say its unreliable, but its a weak spot, that will fail should there be any anomoly with the cooling system or engine tune. Be it a air lock caused by a leak elsewhere or a cylinder running a bit lean/hot, or manky (acidic) coolant, these problems will manifest by causing a failure at that weakest point.
Yes it can be improved by using studs, higher torque settings and different gaskets but in the end of the day the design flaw is still there. Maybe a closed deck would cure it and thats what some tuners try and do to stop the cylinder moving, but if closed deck is the answer, why did Subaru go from closed to deck to open deck?
Last edited by ALi-B; 10 December 2012 at 07:08 PM.
10 December 2012, 07:14 PM
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10 December 2012, 07:21 PM
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I went to the local dealership to pick up some supplies from their agricultural store. Whilst I was there I thought it would be rude not to check out the showroom.
Now into double figures for scoob ownership - a mix of WRX (JDM and UK), UK Turbo's and STi's (JDM and UK) - I currently have the only 2.5l which I have owned (Spec D). Needless to say, it is the only one that has had mechanical failure...namely blown HG. The car is a totally standard PPP version. Even after the engine rebuild, it still drinks oil like there is no tomorrow.
Anyway, I asked the dealer if they had fixed the problem with the 2.5l engine on the new STi. I was quite taken back when he quite aggressively said ' what problem - there has never been a problem as far as Subaru are concerned'. Now I know this is probably party line, etc, but after 10 scoobs I expected a little bit more of a civilised answer...after all I am desperate to replace the Spec D with another Subuaru. I also can't believe that they haven't 'fixed' the issues with this lump?
Looks like the Dark Side beckons - and that really pains me to say that...
Sorry - I don't really want to start another debate on the reliability of the 2.5l or an Evo v Scoob war...I just wanted to post because, to be honest, I feel a little bit sad
Now into double figures for scoob ownership - a mix of WRX (JDM and UK), UK Turbo's and STi's (JDM and UK) - I currently have the only 2.5l which I have owned (Spec D). Needless to say, it is the only one that has had mechanical failure...namely blown HG. The car is a totally standard PPP version. Even after the engine rebuild, it still drinks oil like there is no tomorrow.
Anyway, I asked the dealer if they had fixed the problem with the 2.5l engine on the new STi. I was quite taken back when he quite aggressively said ' what problem - there has never been a problem as far as Subaru are concerned'. Now I know this is probably party line, etc, but after 10 scoobs I expected a little bit more of a civilised answer...after all I am desperate to replace the Spec D with another Subuaru. I also can't believe that they haven't 'fixed' the issues with this lump?
Looks like the Dark Side beckons - and that really pains me to say that...
Sorry - I don't really want to start another debate on the reliability of the 2.5l or an Evo v Scoob war...I just wanted to post because, to be honest, I feel a little bit sad
I've just gone to the dark side
for reasons I won't go into but nothing a quick search wouldn't give you the answers to 
I've had it since Friday and I love it. I don't know why I didn't just buy one in the first place 
10 December 2012, 07:27 PM
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The issues with the 2.5 isn't fixable. Well, not without a complete new engine block design.
The thickness of the cylinder wall is cut away so much to make clearance for the cylinder head bolts that there is insufficient area to have a gasket clamp down AND remain pressure tight for the life of the engine.
Put simply...the bores are too big for the block.
The added issue is when running high BHP the cylinders move around.
Thats not to say its unreliable, but its a weak spot, that will fail should there be any anomoly with the cooling system or engine tune. Be it a air lock caused by a leak elsewhere or a cylinder running a bit lean/hot, or manky (acidic) coolant, these problems will manifest by causing a failure at that weakest point.
Yes it can be improved by using studs, higher torque settings and different gaskets but in the end of the day the design flaw is still there. Maybe a closed deck would cure it and thats what some tuners try and do to stop the cylinder moving, but if closed deck is the answer, why did Subaru go from closed to deck to open deck?
The thickness of the cylinder wall is cut away so much to make clearance for the cylinder head bolts that there is insufficient area to have a gasket clamp down AND remain pressure tight for the life of the engine.
Put simply...the bores are too big for the block.
The added issue is when running high BHP the cylinders move around.
Thats not to say its unreliable, but its a weak spot, that will fail should there be any anomoly with the cooling system or engine tune. Be it a air lock caused by a leak elsewhere or a cylinder running a bit lean/hot, or manky (acidic) coolant, these problems will manifest by causing a failure at that weakest point.
Yes it can be improved by using studs, higher torque settings and different gaskets but in the end of the day the design flaw is still there. Maybe a closed deck would cure it and thats what some tuners try and do to stop the cylinder moving, but if closed deck is the answer, why did Subaru go from closed to deck to open deck?
if i could only just recall where i have seen it...........LOL
alyn
10 December 2012, 07:38 PM
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How about a CNC closed deck EJ257 block from AS Performance?
www.asperformance.com
Easily 600bhp capable. And very inexpensive.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater
www.asperformance.com
Easily 600bhp capable. And very inexpensive.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater
Last edited by frayz; 10 December 2012 at 07:44 PM.
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