jeremy

Can anyone shed some light on Prodrives plans for the P2?

Suggestion to Prodrive: With reguards to the engineering of the P2, could you please consult with Lotus, and ask them how to construct steering that provides feel. Or is this impossible to engineer into a car designed to mask it?

chrisp

The P2 was rumoured (months/years ago) to be a Legacy based version

bob

I just can't wait for the P4

jeremy

Sorry,

I suppose no one here was able to discern that I wanted to find out when Prodrive is to make a sucessor to the P1? I'm sure there is a least one person on this board who might have a least asked Prodrive???????

JohnS

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Jeremy,

Prodrive <B>never</B> release details of projects they are working on until official press release time.

The most encouraging feedback you would likely get would be "I couldn't possibly comment"

Dave T-S

If you mean the successor to the P1, there won't be one - it will be a modified version of the STI7 engineered for the UK/European market by Subaru/STI. For a multitude of reasons, I have my doubts if Prodrive will be involved at all.

Dave T-S

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jeremy:
<B>Sorry,

I suppose no one here was able to discern that I wanted to find out when Prodrive is to make a sucessor to the P1? I'm sure there is a least one person on this board who might have a least asked Prodrive???????[/quote]


Not you then? Nothing stopping you!!

Chins

Dave

I'm interested into why you dont think Prodrive will be involved in the new STI ?

Reading the german car mags they are expecting the STI at the car shows later this year. This at least will give us an indication of power as it will of had to pass the emissions for the German Market.

Bodystyling wise the STI is a step back from the UK300 in my biased opinion. Personally I dont like the look of the STI, the wheels are no match for the OZ wheels on the UK300, the rear spolier is std fare. Why wont prodrive be involved making the car look more like the Rally car again.

Engine wise. Assuming they have to strangle the car to pass European emmisions, why wont Prodrive then offer a PPP for the STI to return it to the full if not better Monty ?

Suspension wise by that time a lower version of the car with Prodrive settings ?

Now I'm not sure it will be a P2, but here's hoping.

Jonathan

JasonHook

I had heard that IM felt a little let down by the P1 rollout. Problems with the paint and with the spoilers made them feel a P1 successor was not a worthwhile enterprise.

Info from a pretty reliable chap who should know what he's talking about.

I'm sure nothings certain either way.

Jason

Chins

If IM felt that disapointed with Prodrives attempt at the bodywork on the P1, why let them loose on the UK300 ?

Jonathan

Dave T-S

Note no front paintwork done on the UK300

......or change of brakes.

"I couldn't possibly comment" on what involvement Prodrive might have on the STI7....

Hoppy

Sadly, I'm not sure we'll ever see a P2. The P1 is a fantastic car, but has suffered a number of annoying niggles that must have had Prodrive and IM wondering if it was all worth it. And it was way over-priced.

But perhaps more significantly, it was produced at a time when an official UK STi car was not available. That situation is about to change.

I see the future line up starting with the standard WRX, which can be upgraded with a juicy list of Prodrive goodies, including the punchy PPP. If the UK00 is a success, Prodrive may produce more specials like this, which has distinctly different engine characterists, and driving styles, to the STi screamers.

My guess is that they'll leave STi tuning to independent specialists. I think they'd be reluctant to give a three year warranty to a car pushing out well over 300 bhp.

All of which is a big shame. A P2 would surely be something very special. Let's hope I'm wrong

Richard.

Chins

Dave

The UK300 has a front lip spoiler by Prodrive, so as much front spoiler work as the P1. Also the P1 came with std Subaru brakes. You can upgrade the UK300 to Alcons in the same way you could the P1.

Hoppy

The STI is rumoured to only produce 260 odd bhp in Euro form. Thats why it would seem reasonable to get 285bhp from a PPP.

Jonathan

chrisp

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Dave

The STI is rumoured to only produce 260 odd bhp in Euro form. Thats why it would seem reasonable to get 285bhp from a PPP.

Jonathan[/quote]

This is because they have remove the STi ECU and replaced it with a Euro friendly ECU. If you want 280 bhp may as well drop the old STI ECU back in [ ].

What you have to remember these engines are very simular. An MY00 UK engine had 215bhp with a PPP it was about 240 bhp but the same engine in a Japanese WRX (not an STI engine) was 276 bhp (albeit on 100 RON).

What I am trying to say is it looks on paper easier to get 25 bhp extra out of a 215 bhp engine with a 276 bhp benchmark than trying to get 25 bhp ou of a 260 bhp with a standard limit of around 280 bhp.

Of course the benefit of the PPP is not really the bhp but the extra torque and it looks even more diffcult when you are starting with 260 lb/ft.

Personally due to this I think the Euro STi will be the same as the P1 ie no PPP. It would cost a lot to develop and they may not get the pay back.

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Chins

Chrisp

The main reason that a PPP was not offered for the P1, was not because they couldnt get more power, but maybe 290bhp was deemed the safe max. £1,600 for 15 bhp is a lot of money. However making the assumption that the STI in Euro trim has 260 bhp due to emmisions I cant see what the difficulties in producing a PPP that give 280-290 bhp.

Given that the MY01 now has three cats - I presume to get through emmisions why wouldnt the PPP for the STI follow the same route and cost ?

You cannont say just fit the std STI ECU as that is mapped for 100 Ron. So removing the centre cat and backbox, gains would be made there. Now add a remapped ECU and surely with a touch more boost the gains will be worth the expenditure. Fitting a Link to a std STI, tuning it for 97 Ron, and you will still end up with nice gains over std.

I bet most STI owners to be would pay the money for an extra 25 odd bhp.

Jonathan

Dave T-S

Jonathan
The point I was making about the UK300 lip spoiler is that it is unpainted - coincidence after all the P1 lip spoiler paint warranty problems?

Alcons - I had forgotten they were an option...after the DS3000 pad debacle, they would probably want to forget them! - the warranty costs for this were horrible.

Leaving the first two cats in a MY01 would make a PPP give serious power extremely difficult, but Prodrive only sell road legal/warranted bits so they can't/won't pull all the cats off.

Al these issues with the STI7/Prodrive will become clearer over the next few months....

jeremy

Thanks everyone for the input. I thought that maybe someone had better acess to Prodrive info than a yankee like me.

pwebb

emissions? -
er excuse me folks but emissions regulations are just as tight in japan as in europe - there seem to be a lot of folks who think that the ECU changes to jap spec cars made for european market are for emissions reasons - not so, if you look under the bonnet of a new jap spec car you will see the CO and hydocarbon ratings on a sticker - these will be well within european limits for catted cars... the ECU changes have far more to do with having to run on our crappy 95RON fuel IMHO.

Getting back to the subject - STI version of WRX and Liberty (sic) B4 are hitting Australia first - I think these will be the closest indication of what might come to the UK. - press releases are on the aussie Subaru site

cheers,

Paul W

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