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29 January 2012, 11:21 AM
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Oh dear
Was just having a browse of Pistonheads Classifieds and came across this lovely Golf GTI Mk 1 R32.... sounds like a plan I hear you say... hmmmm LOL at the wheels and the nice tidy interior...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3576121.htm
When you aslng for top money and then some I think you need to go a bit further than that
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3576121.htm
When you aslng for top money and then some I think you need to go a bit further than that
29 January 2012, 05:29 PM
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£15k spent on it and they can't even fit a CV boot for an MOT?
If i'd spent that much to get so much power i'd at least want to run it on the road to see how it goes - or is it that bad it needs another fortune spending on it to get it to run properly why they're selling?
If i'd spent that much to get so much power i'd at least want to run it on the road to see how it goes - or is it that bad it needs another fortune spending on it to get it to run properly why they're selling?
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09 February 2012, 08:02 PM
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That would be a nightmare, floppy old mk1 shell, skinny tyres and mega power with 2wd, 150 - 200 bhp in a mk1 is interesting, suspect that would be a lesson in terror. Needs a welded in cage linked to the strut tops and seam welding, bracing and whatever.
10 February 2012, 01:30 AM
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I dread to think what effect that massive engine will have on the handling
10 February 2012, 12:00 PM
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Yep, remember mine when I changed the springs and didnt think I had to set the camber bolts, jesus it was terrifying, probably like this, done well it could be fun but this doesnt look like its been done that well.
10 February 2012, 12:47 PM
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How much heavier is the all alloy VR6 and 'box compared to the old iron-block GTi engine and 'box?
I'd guess big stuff like starter motors (A VR6 starter motor should be lighter, as old school 1980's starter motor were like lead weights), alternators and the lack of a A/C and PAS pumps would equal it out a little.
My thinking is bit like the Jaguar XK engine vs Jag v12...despite one having 12 more cylinders its actually roughly the same weight! Same with MGB GT 1.8 and MGB 3.5 V8....engine are more or less the same weight even though the latter is almost double the capacity!
I'd guess big stuff like starter motors (A VR6 starter motor should be lighter, as old school 1980's starter motor were like lead weights), alternators and the lack of a A/C and PAS pumps would equal it out a little.
My thinking is bit like the Jaguar XK engine vs Jag v12...despite one having 12 more cylinders its actually roughly the same weight! Same with MGB GT 1.8 and MGB 3.5 V8....engine are more or less the same weight even though the latter is almost double the capacity!
10 February 2012, 01:16 PM
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Unlike the Jag comparison, where one engnie was entirely iron, and the other mostly aluminium, the only part of an original Mk1 8V driveline that was cast iron that isn't on the VR6 drivelines is the block itself. So I would imagine the weight increase is significant, especially when you factor in all the extra bits (cams, valves, gears, pumps, etc) beng made of steel.
The other noted one, from the same era as the Jag, was the Rover V8 into Capri conversion, the Rover engine was only about 80% of weight of the Ford Pinto engine it replaced
The other noted one, from the same era as the Jag, was the Rover V8 into Capri conversion, the Rover engine was only about 80% of weight of the Ford Pinto engine it replaced
10 February 2012, 01:42 PM
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XK engines actually had aluminium heads. It just the whole engine was built on casting and forge tooling that dated back to the late 1940's. Hard to belive they there were still making them up until 1992 (on tooling that was knackered in the early 80's).
The VR6 is going to be heavier, but I think there probably is a little more to it than just the block though.
Things like the changes in piston designs. A piston from a random 1980's car is a heavy, thick, deep skirted thing where modern ones wouldn't seem out of place on a race engine (thin wall, shallow skirt, lightweight).
Not sure if VR6 cams are hollow composite jobbies. I know late Audi V engines are typically hollow. I guess the 8V's are solid. Then we have the dual mass flywheel, binning that for a solid one has to save something.
It'd be interesting to know.
Can't belive how heavy a Pinto engine was
The VR6 is going to be heavier, but I think there probably is a little more to it than just the block though.
Things like the changes in piston designs. A piston from a random 1980's car is a heavy, thick, deep skirted thing where modern ones wouldn't seem out of place on a race engine (thin wall, shallow skirt, lightweight).
Not sure if VR6 cams are hollow composite jobbies. I know late Audi V engines are typically hollow. I guess the 8V's are solid. Then we have the dual mass flywheel, binning that for a solid one has to save something.
It'd be interesting to know.
Can't belive how heavy a Pinto engine was
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10 February 2012, 06:13 PM
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I think he means they 'work out' together. 
I do like R32's actually because they sound good.
Normally I find Golfs uninteresting though.
But I'd rather an I6 than a V6 in my perfect car.
I do like R32's actually because they sound good.
Normally I find Golfs uninteresting though.
But I'd rather an I6 than a V6 in my perfect car.
11 February 2012, 01:30 AM
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I've got a built 1600 engine from a Mk1 GTi in the garage, I might chuck it on the bathroom scale tomorrow. It's got lightweight rods and pistons and a steel crank in it, but it's close enough 
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