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17 March 2005, 10:36 PM
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205 Mi16
considering buying a predone one as my normal runabout/track car was wondering anyone had one?
what sort of power do they have?
anything i should look 4?
where will i get someone who will insure an engine change?
what sort of power do they have?
anything i should look 4?
where will i get someone who will insure an engine change?
17 March 2005, 10:49 PM
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Power normally 165bhp when in 205, thats for a standard engine. 0-60 around 6.5 1/4 mile 14.7 ish. Similar performance to new Civic Type R
Check engine size, there are 1905 or 1998 versions, one is alloy other cast. No real difference in performance, only that 205 owners prefer lighter alloy 1905 unit so tend to cost more.
Make sure it has 16v wiring loom not a 8v dizzy adapter, look at dizzy if there is 5cm circular metal then has an adapter. Alternativaly look at ECU number its lower dash right hand side. Ending 355 is 16v 3 row, you can look up the numbers to check if 8v or 16v
Check engine is tilted at correct angle and manifold has been reangled, alternatives are big hammer on bulkhead and tilt engine.
Get onto forum.205gtidrivers.com for more info
Insurance is dirt cheap, my renewal for modified mi is £180. HIC do it, same cost as standard 1.9
Check what gearbox is used, 1.6 or Mi are preferred.
No need to buy the first Mi you see they are quite a common conversion.
Normal checks apply as for other cars.
Mi engines are very expensive to rebuild so a good engine is very important.
Check engine size, there are 1905 or 1998 versions, one is alloy other cast. No real difference in performance, only that 205 owners prefer lighter alloy 1905 unit so tend to cost more.
Make sure it has 16v wiring loom not a 8v dizzy adapter, look at dizzy if there is 5cm circular metal then has an adapter. Alternativaly look at ECU number its lower dash right hand side. Ending 355 is 16v 3 row, you can look up the numbers to check if 8v or 16v
Check engine is tilted at correct angle and manifold has been reangled, alternatives are big hammer on bulkhead and tilt engine.
Get onto forum.205gtidrivers.com for more info
Insurance is dirt cheap, my renewal for modified mi is £180. HIC do it, same cost as standard 1.9
Check what gearbox is used, 1.6 or Mi are preferred.
No need to buy the first Mi you see they are quite a common conversion.
Normal checks apply as for other cars.
Mi engines are very expensive to rebuild so a good engine is very important.
17 March 2005, 11:02 PM
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mi16 205
Hi there
Just purchased my first Scooby but also own a 205 Mi16.
Power wise there are 2 types of Mi16 engine, found in Pugs and Citroens.
Early ones before approx 1991 have a wet-liner bottom end (much lighter- the one to go for) and produce 160bhp in standard form. These are 1.9L.
Late engines after 1991 are conventional block type bottom end (heavy) and produce 155bhp. These are 2.0L.
Both will make a quick car especially if mated to the 1.6 GTi gearbox which has shorter ratios. My 205 is as quick as my Standard U.K Subaru turbo, just not off the line and top end.
Insurance wise I used to use Adrian Flux for the 205 with Mi16, big brakes, lowered but otherwise standard looking, Its been stored for the last 5 years (spent so much time and money getting it into near concourse standard I,m scared to use it!).
Hope you find a good one well worth it! (just don't bolt any max power spoilers on!)
Rob
Just purchased my first Scooby but also own a 205 Mi16.
Power wise there are 2 types of Mi16 engine, found in Pugs and Citroens.
Early ones before approx 1991 have a wet-liner bottom end (much lighter- the one to go for) and produce 160bhp in standard form. These are 1.9L.
Late engines after 1991 are conventional block type bottom end (heavy) and produce 155bhp. These are 2.0L.
Both will make a quick car especially if mated to the 1.6 GTi gearbox which has shorter ratios. My 205 is as quick as my Standard U.K Subaru turbo, just not off the line and top end.
Insurance wise I used to use Adrian Flux for the 205 with Mi16, big brakes, lowered but otherwise standard looking, Its been stored for the last 5 years (spent so much time and money getting it into near concourse standard I,m scared to use it!).
Hope you find a good one well worth it! (just don't bolt any max power spoilers on!)
Rob
18 March 2005, 08:14 AM
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Make sure you drive it first and get the buzz from it that you are looking for. Some cars have all the right 'ingredients' but taste crap! Check that it can put the power down, preferably in the wet and they feel like a small, light car with 160BHP.
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18 March 2005, 08:34 AM
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awesome cars, handle very well too!
my friend has a mi16 on throttle bodies and coilovers, and it its stupidly quick!
another friend also has one that is on carbs AND turbo'd and that runs 13.3 1/4 mile
my friend has a mi16 on throttle bodies and coilovers, and it its stupidly quick!
another friend also has one that is on carbs AND turbo'd and that runs 13.3 1/4 mile
18 March 2005, 08:37 AM
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I have one, but its been off the road for 9 months now with piston ring and big end failure (thats on a 45k mile engine as well).
They are superb fun, but take some getting used to. When you first drive one you will wonder what all the fuss is about - they are very much like a VTEC, coming on song at 4k rpm right up to the 7.2k rpm limit.
I was disapointed at first, but on my way back from buying it in London I booted it up a slip road onto the motorway - within minutes I was efforstlessly doing about 120mph which shocked me quite a bit.
I love it to bits now, but they are money pits if done properly - mines cost £3.5k now, and I need to rebuild my engine which is another £1500
They are superb fun, but take some getting used to. When you first drive one you will wonder what all the fuss is about - they are very much like a VTEC, coming on song at 4k rpm right up to the 7.2k rpm limit.
I was disapointed at first, but on my way back from buying it in London I booted it up a slip road onto the motorway - within minutes I was efforstlessly doing about 120mph which shocked me quite a bit.
I love it to bits now, but they are money pits if done properly - mines cost £3.5k now, and I need to rebuild my engine which is another £1500
18 March 2005, 08:58 AM
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iv never driven one, but it sound like similar power delivery to my old 1.8 clio16v. that was poor till 4k then all hell broke loose (it was tuned)
i replaced it with a 2.0 williams engine, and the power was awesome from 2k, but wasnt as happy revving over 7k as the 1.8. the car was much quicker though.
if your after a hatch, that handles well, and is fast in a straight line, i would recommend a 2.0 16v williams lump in a clio 16v or simply a williams.
mine handled on rails, and ran constant 14.1 1/4 miles. thats with cams, and a remap, but it ran 14.3 with just an exhaust. excellent cars, if i can afford it im gonna buy/build another one as a 2nd car
its unlikely tho with the running costs of this scooby doo :O
i replaced it with a 2.0 williams engine, and the power was awesome from 2k, but wasnt as happy revving over 7k as the 1.8. the car was much quicker though.
if your after a hatch, that handles well, and is fast in a straight line, i would recommend a 2.0 16v williams lump in a clio 16v or simply a williams.
mine handled on rails, and ran constant 14.1 1/4 miles. thats with cams, and a remap, but it ran 14.3 with just an exhaust. excellent cars, if i can afford it im gonna buy/build another one as a 2nd car
its unlikely tho with the running costs of this scooby doo :O
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Try and get one with a 1.6 gearbox!!! Mine felt a lot quicker than my blob eye WRX - it's basically a Clio 172 engine...
Check the inlet manifold - instead of modding the radiator surround, some people welded the inlet manifold shorter which created flatspots at 5k I believe...
Oh and if you come across F859 UCR then grab it cos I spent around £8k on it...
Check the inlet manifold - instead of modding the radiator surround, some people welded the inlet manifold shorter which created flatspots at 5k I believe...
Oh and if you come across F859 UCR then grab it cos I spent around £8k on it...
18 March 2005, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by robertdon777
Hi there
Just purchased my first Scooby but also own a 205 Mi16.
Power wise there are 2 types of Mi16 engine, found in Pugs and Citroens.
Early ones before approx 1991 have a wet-liner bottom end (much lighter- the one to go for) and produce 160bhp in standard form. These are 1.9L.
Late engines after 1991 are conventional block type bottom end (heavy) and produce 155bhp. These are 2.0L.
Rob
Just purchased my first Scooby but also own a 205 Mi16.
Power wise there are 2 types of Mi16 engine, found in Pugs and Citroens.
Early ones before approx 1991 have a wet-liner bottom end (much lighter- the one to go for) and produce 160bhp in standard form. These are 1.9L.
Late engines after 1991 are conventional block type bottom end (heavy) and produce 155bhp. These are 2.0L.
Rob
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18 March 2005, 11:46 PM
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Citroen BXs only had the alloy 1905 engine and a fully green wired loom.
405 Mi16 Pre sept 92 had 1905, post sep 92 had 2litre with cat.
They make more power in a 205, it has an optimal exhaust and you have to fit an induction kit.
Most 1905cc are 166bhp, 2000cc are 168 bhp when fitted in a 205.
You are allowed to remove the cat for a 2 litre, hence power goes up from 155 to 168.
Gti-6 engine in 205 is around 180bhp, 6 gears are a joke though so stick to 5.
For some bizarre reason, the extra 25kg of weight helps the handling compared to a 1.9, half of it is behind front wheels. Traction is not really a problem seems easy enough to put the power down.
As said they like to rev, the engine was designed for rallying/touring cars nearly 20 years ago, its so good that Peugeot/Citroen have gone back to it in the winning WRC cars.
Apparently you are limited to 325bhp in N/A form if you have the money
405 Mi16 Pre sept 92 had 1905, post sep 92 had 2litre with cat.
They make more power in a 205, it has an optimal exhaust and you have to fit an induction kit.
Most 1905cc are 166bhp, 2000cc are 168 bhp when fitted in a 205.
You are allowed to remove the cat for a 2 litre, hence power goes up from 155 to 168.
Gti-6 engine in 205 is around 180bhp, 6 gears are a joke though so stick to 5.
For some bizarre reason, the extra 25kg of weight helps the handling compared to a 1.9, half of it is behind front wheels. Traction is not really a problem seems easy enough to put the power down.
As said they like to rev, the engine was designed for rallying/touring cars nearly 20 years ago, its so good that Peugeot/Citroen have gone back to it in the winning WRC cars.
Apparently you are limited to 325bhp in N/A form if you have the money
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sounding better by the minute think il definatly buy one now alot of power with little cost!! and handles like a dream what more could a man want!!!
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