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Old 27 September 2013, 11:52 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-8843573.html

The comments after the report are good.
Old 27 September 2013, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-8843573.html

The comments after the report are good.
Yes this one stood out:

I have a PhD in Atmospheric Physics and worked in research in a British university in the 1980s. My job was to analyse satellite data. I could not find the patterns that my supervisor wanted in newly gathered data. Nor could I replicate the claimed patterns found by my predecessor using the same historical data*. (I suspect that he had in fact received his promotion largely as a result of so pleasing the said supervisor with these alleged 'patterns'.) Result: I did not have my research contract renewed and have had to teach physics in secondary schools for the past 24 years. I was looking at solar-terrestrial interactions rather than 'greenhouse gases' but the general point still stands. Make no mistake: The only difference between 'scepticism' in modern Western Academia and disagreeing with Lysenkoist genetics in Stalinist Russia is that there is no actual Gulag that you are sent to. Integrity still kills your scientific career stone dead.
At the end of the day Western government's taxation policies depend on this being true and the IPCC's raison d'etre depend on it being true... hmmmmm!

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Old 27 September 2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yes this one stood out:



At the end of the day Western government's taxation policies depend on this being true and the IPCC's raison d'etre depend on it being true... hmmmmm!

What % of taxation collected by government is related to environmental protection?
Old 27 September 2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yes this one stood out:

At the end of the day Western government's taxation policies depend on this being true and the IPCC's raison d'etre depend on it being true... hmmmmm!
Not often I agree with you!

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What % of taxation collected by government is related to environmental protection?
Close to sod all would be my guess.
Old 27 September 2013, 12:35 PM
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£6.1bn in RFL
£25.7bn in fuel duties
Aviataion tax
Carbon tax
Energy tax (whatever amount is being added to our bills to pay for windmills)
....
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Old 27 September 2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
£6.1bn in RFL
£25.7bn in fuel duties
Aviataion tax
Carbon tax
Energy tax (whatever amount is being added to our bills to pay for windmills)
....
.......
So not much then. Plus how much of this is incremental? - fuel duty was high long before climate change was 'invented'
Old 27 September 2013, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-8843573.html

The comments after the report are good.
Yeah they certaintly are, i thought this one was quite good. I have a feeling Mombasa69 is a bit of a rare one.

Originally Posted by Mombasa69
IPCC report: Scientists are 95% certain they want to keep their well-paid jobs and lavish lifestyles.


Old 27 September 2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Yeah they certaintly are, i thought this one was quite good. I have a feeling Mombasa69 is a bit of a rare one.
So by implication he believes that 95% of scientists are corrupt liars!
Old 27 September 2013, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
So by implication he believes that 95% of scientists are corrupt liars!
Only 5% behind the politicians then

It's a scam. End of!
Old 27 September 2013, 01:34 PM
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I'm starting to notice that methane is getting mentioned more and more along side CO2 when it comes to global warming/climate change. Won't be long before there is a specific climate related taxation on methane too. That cheap source of methane from fracking......well, forget about the cheap bit.
Old 27 September 2013, 01:39 PM
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40% of the last reports citations came from green activist groups. This is not peer reviewed science
Old 27 September 2013, 01:39 PM
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The largest methane producers are cows. Lets see a cow tax.










My wife won't be pleased.
Old 27 September 2013, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
So not much then. Plus how much of this is incremental? - fuel duty was high long before climate change was 'invented'
Think that's last years figures - not incremental.

Read this; yes I know it's in the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lanet-jot.html

As Drax admits, all this means that to generate nearly the same amount of power from wood as it does from coal will cost between two and three times as much, meaning that its fuel costs will double or treble — so that the only thing to make this possible will be that massive subsidy, which will eventually be worth over £1 billion a year.

This is hardly good news for us electricity users. We have already seen bills go up by over £1 billion a year because we are being forced to subsidise the use of wind farms. In the years to come, with these vast subsidies going to Drax, they will soar ever higher.

Yet while consumers are being hammered, government ministers are delighted by Drax’s decision to convert to wood chips. This is because it will result in a significant contribution towards meeting an EU-imposed target, which commits Britain to producing nearly a third of our electricity from ‘renewables’ within seven years.
Pure madness.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
40% of the last reports citations came from green activist groups. This is not peer reviewed science
Interesting, hadn't picked up on this info.

I do wonder who are the peers reviewing this report. I'm sure it will have been reviewed by a broad range of people of sufficient capacity to make judgement and who do not necessarily subscribe to the views of.................

Whilst I am firmly in the sceptic camp, I am sure the headline is true i.e. man's activities has had an influence on climate. I am yet to be convinced that impact is not insignificant compared to other factors.
Old 27 September 2013, 04:57 PM
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This has been all over the BBC news today.. cue their science editor pictured infront of melting ice tonight
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BBC science guy this morning talking about degrees CENTIGRADE.....

I switched off in disgust.
Old 27 September 2013, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gpssti4
The largest methane producers are cows. Lets see a cow tax.










My wife won't be pleased.
LOL mate!!!!
Old 27 September 2013, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pacenote
This has been all over the BBC news today.. cue their science editor pictured infront of melting ice tonight
Would you expect any different from the BBC though? It's not as though they have an open mind about this.
Old 27 September 2013, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Would you expect any different from the BBC though? It's not as though they have an open mind about this.
I haven't been able to watch the news today. Is it only the BBC who are reporting this?


Btw how 'open' is your mind on this subject?

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Old 28 September 2013, 06:08 AM
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Don't know I've only seen it on the BBC, are you saying these people have nothing to loose by telling porky pies? It's not as though their jobs are dependant on it is it?

My mind is very open to this. Why do you always feel the need to defend the Governments decisions Martin, I could almost understand it if they were an honest bunch but given they are a bunch of lying low life sad sacks who would sell there own Grandmother for a single vote I don't see how anyone could defend them time and time again.

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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
My mind is very open to this. Why do you always feel the need to defend the Governments decisions Martin, I could almost understand it if they were an honest bunch but given they are a bunch of lying low life sad sacks who would sell there own Grandmother for a single vote I don't see how anyone could defend them time and time again.
Yep I couldn't agree more and a question I asked recently. I think he is one or maybe one or both of his parents are
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Originally Posted by alcazar
BBC science guy this morning talking about degrees CENTIGRADE.....

I switched off in disgust.
I must be missing something here.
Old 28 September 2013, 05:26 PM
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"degrees Centigrade" was renamed in 1948 to "degrees Celsius" so this should now be quoted when refering to units on the temperature scale.
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I detect a very powerful PR machine working behind this. Global warming has been shown to generate enormous revenue so the public "must" believe in it...

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Originally Posted by pacenote
"degrees Centigrade" was renamed in 1948 to "degrees Celsius" so this should now be quoted when refering to units on the temperature scale.
Well everydays a school day. Tbh if you want to be pedantic using celsius or centigrade is still incorrect.
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Don't know I've only seen it on the BBC, are you saying these people have nothing to loose by telling porky pies? It's not as though their jobs are dependant on it is it?

My mind is very open to this. Why do you always feel the need to defend the Governments decisions Martin, I could almost understand it if they were an honest bunch but given they are a bunch of lying low life sad sacks who would sell there own Grandmother for a single vote I don't see how anyone could defend them time and time again.
I don't defend them, I try and focus on the rationale explanation. Often you are just in a different time-zone to the logical answer.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Often you are just in a different time-zone to the logical answer.
Lol, hardly!

Sometimes I think you live in a different country though.
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