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Old 04 November 2011, 06:47 PM
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Sir David Attenborough's reply when asked if his observations of the natural world have given him faith in a creator
My response is that when Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. And [I ask them], 'Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all-merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball? Because that doesn't seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy
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But then we, the educated, knew this anyway. But you can't shake faith, even in the face of overwhelming logic. Humans, nobody ever said they were perfect.
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Creationists.........................:cuck oo:
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I thought that Sir David Attenborough was God.....!
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You can only follow what your conscience tells you to believe.

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Originally Posted by Felix.
I thought that Sir David Attenborough was God.....!

he is, and has spoken,,,,,,,


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Over on dpreview they opened up an 'Off Topic' forum, and it being mainly a US site, the religious threads were an eye opener.

I know we have have some debates on here over the years, but they were another level.

There were several people trying post up 'evidence' that man and dinosaurs co-existed

True young Earth creationists.

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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
The 9/11 terrorists felt the same way.
Nothing to say that you can't defend yourself from evil actions though.

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Nothing to say that you can't defend yourself from evil actions though.

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Jesus would've had us turn the other cheek, would he not?
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Nothing to say that you can't defend yourself from evil actions though.

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Are they evil if condoned by the Koran?

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Originally Posted by Felix.
I thought that Sir David Attenborough was God.....!
That's Morgan Freeman.
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Over on dpreview they opened up an 'Off Topic' forum, and it being mainly a US site, the religious threads were an eye opener.

I know we have have some debates on here over the years, but they were another level.

There were several people trying post up 'evidence' that man and dinosaurs co-existed

True young Earth creationists.

Geezer
Link please
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Are they evil if condoned by the Koran?

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Are such actions condoned as you say though. Does it order its believers to kill innocent people?

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Jesus would've had us turn the other cheek, would he not?
As I said above in case you missed it.

Anyone is fully entitled to defend himself from attack.

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Does it order its believers to kill innocent people?

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A lot of the time, yes. It is why religion (any) puts personal accountability on the back burner, as most religions/belief systems reliably lead to that kind of thinking.
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
A lot of the time, yes. It is why religion (any) puts personal accountability on the back burner, as most religions/belief systems reliably lead to that kind of thinking.
I know of no religion that puts "personal accountability on the backburner" - that seems to be more of a personal choice - indeed a human failing if you like.
If people want to do good or evil, they will. Why do many (like yourself) need to find religion the cause?
You seem only too willing to fall into a trap of your own devising.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Anyone is fully entitled to defend himself from attack.

Les
So you're promoting fanatical terrorism now?
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
A lot of the time, yes. It is why religion (any) puts personal accountability on the back burner, as most religions/belief systems reliably lead to that kind of thinking.
Well my education must be lacking then. Please tell us which religions do advocate the slaughter of innocent people.

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Originally Posted by cster
I know of no religion that puts "personal accountability on the backburner" - that seems to be more of a personal choice - indeed a human failing if you like.
If people want to do good or evil, they will. Why do many (like yourself) need to find religion the cause?
You seem only too willing to fall into a trap of your own devising.
Well said, that was was I also said I think!

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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
So you're promoting fanatical terrorism now?
I cannot for the life of me understand how you can twist what I said into that kind of a comment.

Please explain!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Well my education must be lacking then. Please tell us which religions do advocate the slaughter of innocent people.

Les
Most of the prominent religions, lets stick with Christianity,

God commanded his chosen people to conquer the Promised Land, he placed city after city 'under the ban" -which meant that every man, woman and child was to be slaughtered at the point of the sword
You can not redeem religion by claiming that there are bad and good religious people. The fact of the matter is that the things religious people do are supported by the texts and dogmas and ideology of the religion itself.
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
Most of the prominent religions, lets stick with Christianity,

God commanded his chosen people to conquer the Promised Land, he placed city after city 'under the ban" -which meant that every man, woman and child was to be slaughtered at the point of the sword
You can not redeem religion by claiming that there are bad and good religious people. The fact of the matter is that the things religious people do are supported by the texts and dogmas and ideology of the religion itself.
This is from the Old Testament, genocide was quite popular. Can you provide a quote from Christianity's New Testament that condones violence beyond self-sacrifice?
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It looks as though such quotes can always be found from the bible. Usually out of context.

Do you really think that a modern religion actually encourages that sort of behaviour?

The actions of the average so called religious maniac are down to the person concerned. It always seems to be people who start all the trouble for their own selfish reasons.

I have noticed though that many committed atheists are at least as fundamental about their beliefs as those maniacs who wrongfully use religion as an excuse for their unpleasant actions.

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