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Old 28 December 2008, 02:12 PM
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Angry More Labour underhandedness.

Just before Christmas, Labour ministers sold the government's 1/3 stake in the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston, to an American company.

The sale was OK'd by ministers, who didn't bother to ask, or tell parliament.

They simply announced it just before parliament broke up for the Christmas recess.

MPs are said to be furious about that, and further annoyed that the sale appears to have been done on the cheap, in order to realise money quickly for the government.

Anyone out there STILL think we should trust them?
Old 28 December 2008, 03:18 PM
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LOL I blame those who voted for them
Old 28 December 2008, 03:21 PM
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I think we need PSL ( SunnySideUp) to comment. After all, doesn't he work there?
Old 28 December 2008, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Anyone out there STILL think we should trust them?
I think we all gave up trusting them a long time ago, but what is the alternative... another bunch of greedy self serving dishonest career politicians. Great, I can hardly wait
Old 28 December 2008, 03:56 PM
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As far as I can see is it was a commercial sale.

BNFL have sold to Jacobs of California.

The UK Government own the 'Golden Share' which means it can take it all back into public ownership in an instant.

So, yes, our Nuclear Warhead Design and Build is being run by 2 US Companies and 1 UK Company (SERCO).
Old 28 December 2008, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
As far as I can see is it was a commercial sale.

BNFL have sold to Jacobs of California.

The UK Government own the 'Golden Share' which means it can take it all back into public ownership in an instant.

So, yes, our Nuclear Warhead Design and Build is being run by 2 US Companies and 1 UK Company (SERCO).
Don't rely on the Golden share Pete, NL sold the golden shares in the airports and now their own by the Spanish!
Old 28 December 2008, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
After all, doesn't he work there?
Of course he does.
Old 29 December 2008, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
I think we need PSL ( SunnySideUp) to comment. After all, doesn't he work there?
Errrm, actually, he does

That is, unless he's gone to the expense and trouble of having cards printed that say so
Old 29 December 2008, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Errrm, actually, he does

That is, unless he's gone to the expense and trouble of having cards printed that say so

i have done some lovely 'scams" in Africa etc using business cards and fake web sites etc. dont believe a business card alone.
Old 29 December 2008, 12:12 PM
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Same old Labour.

- flies in the face of keeping control of our nuclear weapons and technologies (majority owned by the US now!)
- stupid time to be selling a business or shares as they'll have got poor value for them in the current climate (oh, hang on, that didn't stop the sale of our gold reserves, did it?)
- the value and tactical nature of this asset means it should have been reported properly to the house of commons - not come out as a paragraph on BNFL's website!

Unfortunately this once again proves that we don't live in a democracy - politicians are accountable to nobody.

Gordo
Old 29 December 2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Errrm, actually, he does

That is, unless he's gone to the expense and trouble of having cards printed that say so

if you know who he is then his business card details and some quick google work will prove it.

but who cares


i have a pic of him Taken when he was getting ready to have yet another scoobynet session.

here : http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2...20Internet.jpg

as you can see he does have access to state of art technology and his uniform is correct .
Old 29 December 2008, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Errrm, actually, he does

That is, unless he's gone to the expense and trouble of having cards printed that say so
Were you the lucky receipient of some drafting pens?
Old 29 December 2008, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Errrm, actually, he does

That is, unless he's gone to the expense and trouble of having cards printed that say so
Must be true then....
Old 29 December 2008, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
Were you the lucky receipient of some drafting pens?
That's right, I was......or my alter ego was
Old 29 December 2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordo
Same old Labour.


That's right - wouldn't have caught the Tories selling the country's nationalised industries on the cheap, whenever they could, just to raise a bit of money to get themselves out of a financial hole.

Oh wait a moment....


M
Old 29 December 2008, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
Just before Christmas, Labour ministers sold the government's 1/3 stake in the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston, to an American company.

The sale was OK'd by ministers, who didn't bother to ask, or tell parliament.

They simply announced it just before parliament broke up for the Christmas recess.

MPs are said to be furious about that, and further annoyed that the sale appears to have been done on the cheap, in order to realise money quickly for the government.

Anyone out there STILL think we should trust them?
It is always good to sell companies that are of National Security interest to foreigners!!!

Great stuff, really.
Old 29 December 2008, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
That's right, I was......or my alter ego was
Well, I'm sure I would have had the business card made up especially I hope they were put to some use?
Old 29 December 2008, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
Well, I'm sure I would have had the business card made up especially I hope they were put to some use?
Have been, and are still doing so, thanks.
Old 30 December 2008, 11:35 AM
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Pity we won't be able to have an independent nuclear weapon any more, only what we are allowed to have!

Les
Old 02 January 2009, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Pity we won't be able to have an independent nuclear weapon any more, only what we are allowed to have!

Les
The UK Government asks no-one whether we can deploy our final defence ... you should know that Les.
Old 02 January 2009, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
The UK Government asks no-one whether we can deploy our final defence ... you should know that Les.
That's not what I've heard.
Old 03 January 2009, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
The UK Government asks no-one whether we can deploy our final defence ... you should know that Les.
I meant its construction, not how it is used by us.

Les
Old 03 January 2009, 11:17 AM
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Also raises the question that if US Nationals can have access to our nuclear research, keeping in mind the likely classification of some of it - it would be nice for them to respond in kind with the release of data about various bits of military equipment that we keep saying we're going to buy (before Labour does its usual trick of postponement and cancellation of large procurement projects).

I can't help wonder what we get, exactly, from this "special relationship", other than a sore ****.

I'm just grateful that when it comes to operating on the ground, the US/UK relationship isn't hindered by dumb civil servant bureaucrats on both sides of the Atlantic, because we just get on with it.

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Old 03 January 2009, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
That's not what I've heard.
One of the conditions of buying trident (our sole nulear deterrent) was that we have complete freedom to use it as and when we see fit. The US wanted us to have to OK useage with them first initially, but the UK government refused to accept this.
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theres gonna be no assets left in this country soon, nothing but massive debt
Old 03 January 2009, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I meant its construction, not how it is used by us.

Les
Doesn't really matter which country the management of the Design workforce comes from .... the Designers will be UK nationals

There are parts which are UK eyes only.
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
Doesn't really matter which country the management of the Design workforce comes from .... the Designers will be UK nationals

There are parts which are UK eyes only.
Can that really be so when it is 2/3 owned by another country then?

Les
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