Ray_li

Looking to get an alarm system installed and I was going to go for BT Redcare Grade 2 but I've been quoted a monitoring system at least £500 cheaper then Recare but its monitored by http://www.menviersecurity.co.uk/

Can anybody recommend Menvier or should I stick to Redcare?

Ray_li

Best quote I've had for BT Redcare Grade 2 is £1400+VAT

Paul3446

Is this for your house? If so, I got a great system for £10 from ebay, it's basically an empty alarm cover that you screw to the wall. That way, no-one burgles you as they think you have an alarm and you don't annoy the neighbours when it keeps going off.

Ray_li

Its for a shop

paulwrxboro

If the shops not far away get one that phones your mobile for a few hundred £££

Ray_li

insurance requires Redcare

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Get Redcare then

hectic

if its anywhere near to where you live , Ray.. get a 'Rotty' too....

Ray_li

no where near

Shark

Ray

Don't know what grade 2 Redcare is, but I have a shop and we have a Redcare GSM system that cost me £400pa +VAT.

£1400 seems a little pricey !

David

Huxley

Don't you know


Grade 2 comes under the "EN50131-1 regulation" which is used on all New Nacoss approved installed alarm systems(unless it's that crap company *** )

Rayli if you have to go redcare it will require a 16 channel stu and belive me it aint cheap and if your insurance company make you go grade 3, well **** me you all most have to have a car battery in the alarm panel, due to you used to be able to get away with 8 hours battery backup now on grade 3 it has to be 60 hours but can be reduced if the controls monitor and sends mains failure comms to the monitoring station

All new systems that require a police URN number have to comply with EN50131-1

Redcare is crap anyway you need Dualcom far far better as when the local BT numptie fannys around in the exchange it buggers the Redcare up


Rayli if you can get away with go for a Digicom on a Grade 2X IIRC far cheaper than redcare or Dualcom


Hux

Ray_li

I think it's also called Redcare GSM.

We've been quoted £1000+VAT installation fee and £400-500pa monitoring fee.

Did you pay for installation?

Huxley

That's not that bad a price !

Ray Li how many Points are on the quotation ?

Ray_li

I'll have to get some more quotes.
I've had two insurance quote and one requires Redcare GSM and the other does not.
Some installers are telling us to get Grade 2 and others are telling us grade 3.

I don't know anymore

Huxley

Tell the insuarnce company that you have had some quotes that require only grade 2 monitored systems and play them against each other


On you qoute you should have a list telling you what the Point are in the alarm as in "point 1 = Front Door,Point 2 = Shop area front and so on? do you know how many there is on that list?

As for the cost of the monitoring you should be able to get the price down a little bit with some haggling(sp) with the alarm company, I know it's a pain but get at least 4 quotes from Local companies and avoid that well known 3 letter company " trust me on that one"


Have a look here for approved installers http://www.nsi.org.uk/jkcm/default.asp?pg=16

Hux

Ray_li

Grade 3

Rear door - magnetic contact
Shop door - mag contact
Rear store room - Dual technology detector
office - dual tech detector
front room - dual tech detector
window - dual tech detector
2 x panic button
front room - keypad with built-in proximity tag reader
store room - ademco microtech galaxy 3 control unit
alarm speakers
digital modem
redcare gsm stu
supply, installation = £950+vat
monitoring fee = £575+vat

ADT is quoting similar to above:
supply, install = £1373
connection charge £60
annual service charge £250
tele annual service charge £207

Huxley

The quote on the top isn't that bad

From the list thats there it's a pretty good quote


I would just find out if they are and should be using any anti masking detectors, as they are and will be a pain in the **** as we know as some of the new ones to comply with the EN regs don't work very well our compay is waiting compensation from two detector manufacturers for faulty goods and the time spent getting them changed !!

But as for the bottom one avoide like the plague as it will be hassle and the system is normally a rental system not an outright sale!!!! and tied in for 4 years or 6 years

If you PM me you number I'l give you a call in the morning sometime and try and help with any more details

Hux

Ray_li

Pyronix KX15DTAM Dual Technology Detector (Ati-Masking) to EN50131 & PD6662

You have PM coming

Huxley

PM back


Right off to bed

Shark

I paid £1000 + VAT installation.

Covers 2 doors, 5 windows, 8 motion sensors, 4 panic buttons and one control panel.

And NO I don't know about the techey side

David