Surely this is not allowable...Surgeon starts a 72 hour shift
19 September 2005, 10:25 AM
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Surely this is not allowable...Surgeon starts a 72 hour shift
I am watching City Hospital this morning. There is a consultant neurosurgeon that has just started a 72 hour shift. 
He is going from one operation to another, none stop. How the hell can anyone do a job properly for that length of time without sleep. I know some people do not need that much sleep, but just think how well you could do your job if you were working that length of time.
Just cannot believe that this is still happening
He is going from one operation to another, none stop. How the hell can anyone do a job properly for that length of time without sleep. I know some people do not need that much sleep, but just think how well you could do your job if you were working that length of time.
Just cannot believe that this is still happening
19 September 2005, 10:28 AM
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thats a disgrace!!
I am surprised that the senior hospital staff allowed someone to say that on a tv program! there will be loads of complaints of the back of that I bet!
theres no way at the end of his shift he will be able to do his job correctly, which is slightly nutts
id be a slobbering mess after 26 hours
I am surprised that the senior hospital staff allowed someone to say that on a tv program! there will be loads of complaints of the back of that I bet!
theres no way at the end of his shift he will be able to do his job correctly, which is slightly nutts
id be a slobbering mess after 26 hours
19 September 2005, 10:53 AM
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Remember it is 72 hours on call. Doesn't mean he will be 'on the job' for a continuous 72 hours. He may be at home some of that time just having to respond to calls etc. Of course, if it is VERY VERY VERY VERY busy, then...........
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19 September 2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Just finished 72 hours on call this weekend. Knackered
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19 September 2005, 12:11 PM
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I just finished a 168 Hour Shift on call too.. I support the major patient results systems in the hospital so i guess live depend on it a little bit.. 
.. infact.. hell .. why don't i get paid as much as the surgeons
.. infact.. hell .. why don't i get paid as much as the surgeons
19 September 2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
So are there any procedures to ensure you get some sort of sleep during a 72 hour shift - Or are you expected to be able to function properly for 72 hours without any real sleep .
.It also varies from speciality to speciality. Some will very rarely have to come in/be disturbed on call. Sadly my speciality is not one of them
19 September 2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Luminous
How the hell can anyone do a job properly for that length of time without sleep.
19 September 2005, 01:24 PM
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Now that is hardcore. The most I've ever done without sleep was 38 hours, but then I slept for 18 hours straight.
As for 72 hours, well I went for 80 hours over the last bank holiday, but that was interspersed with 9 hours sleep over three intervals. Was approaching hallucinations by then though. How you can do an operation in that state is beyond me.
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As for 72 hours, well I went for 80 hours over the last bank holiday, but that was interspersed with 9 hours sleep over three intervals. Was approaching hallucinations by then though. How you can do an operation in that state is beyond me.
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19 September 2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
No. There are systems in place to ensure junior docs get rest but not senior docs such as myself. Go figure!! I'm not saying I won't usually get some sleep during that time, but not always enough to be 100%.
It also varies from speciality to speciality. Some will very rarely have to come in/be disturbed on call. Sadly my speciality is not one of them
It also varies from speciality to speciality. Some will very rarely have to come in/be disturbed on call. Sadly my speciality is not one of them
Where's all the extra money being pumped into the NHS going? From where I'm standing the hospitals still appear to be falling apart at the seams, The staff are all having to work to the point where it's dangerous and waiting lists seem to have improved across the board by about a week or two !
There must be improvements somewhere !
(Or is it all paying your overtime / call outs
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19 September 2005, 02:53 PM
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Longest I've ever stayed awake is 66 hours...
...but that was when I was young, stupid and thought it was clever.
I was wrong.
I was halucinating towards the end of it...
No way could I have done even the most mindless of jobs in that condition, let alone something that's life-dependent.
I realise Deep and others have said it's not necessarily 72 hours straight with no sleep, but still it seems like a huge shift to have to cope with...
...but that was when I was young, stupid and thought it was clever.
I was wrong.
I was halucinating towards the end of it...
No way could I have done even the most mindless of jobs in that condition, let alone something that's life-dependent.
I realise Deep and others have said it's not necessarily 72 hours straight with no sleep, but still it seems like a huge shift to have to cope with...
19 September 2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RichS
Longest I've ever stayed awake is 66 hours...
...but that was when I was young, stupid and thought it was clever.
I was wrong.
I was halucinating towards the end of it...
No way could I have done even the most mindless of jobs in that condition, let alone something that's life-dependent.
I realise Deep and others have said it's not necessarily 72 hours straight with no sleep, but still it seems like a huge shift to have to cope with...
...but that was when I was young, stupid and thought it was clever.
I was wrong.
I was halucinating towards the end of it...
No way could I have done even the most mindless of jobs in that condition, let alone something that's life-dependent.
I realise Deep and others have said it's not necessarily 72 hours straight with no sleep, but still it seems like a huge shift to have to cope with...
I've gone through weeks on call where i'll only get a couple of hour long sleeps per night contstantly being interrupted throughout the night by my pager/mobile
. It really does take it out of you..Other weeks.. I'll maybe get called 4 times all week so i get my full 6 hours
19 September 2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
So Deep, I know you wont neccasarily know the answer to this - but I'll ask anyway.
Where's all the extra money being pumped into the NHS going?
There must be improvements somewhere !
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Where's all the extra money being pumped into the NHS going?
There must be improvements somewhere !
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19 September 2005, 03:43 PM
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Our local hospital is having a massive extension.
19 September 2005, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
So Deep, I know you wont neccasarily know the answer to this - but I'll ask anyway.
Where's all the extra money being pumped into the NHS going? From where I'm standing the hospitals still appear to be falling apart at the seams, The staff are all having to work to the point where it's dangerous and waiting lists seem to have improved across the board by about a week or two !
There must be improvements somewhere !
(Or is it all paying your overtime / call outs )
Where's all the extra money being pumped into the NHS going? From where I'm standing the hospitals still appear to be falling apart at the seams, The staff are all having to work to the point where it's dangerous and waiting lists seem to have improved across the board by about a week or two !
There must be improvements somewhere !
(Or is it all paying your overtime / call outs
)This is YOUR TAX money NOT going into YOUR local hospital so as a consequance the hospital is as sh1te as it always was.
This is all so Tony Blair can say 'waiting lists are down as I promised'
What he doesn't say is the rest of healthcare is as poor if not WORSE than when he came to power
19 September 2005, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
I do know. Most of it is being spent on meeting 'artificial' targets ie the govt promised waiting list for routine ops will be 3 months. To accomplish this in my area the govt has spunked millions to send people into the private sector to have their ops. Some of these ops are not that urgent ie wisdom teeth but will cost approx £2000 to be done in the private sector.
This is YOUR TAX money NOT going into YOUR local hospital so as a consequance the hospital is as sh1te as it always was.
This is all so Tony Blair can say 'waiting lists are down as I promised'
What he doesn't say is the rest of healthcare is as poor if not WORSE than when he came to power
This is YOUR TAX money NOT going into YOUR local hospital so as a consequance the hospital is as sh1te as it always was.
This is all so Tony Blair can say 'waiting lists are down as I promised'
What he doesn't say is the rest of healthcare is as poor if not WORSE than when he came to power
It is also however going on pay reform costing millions which is hidden from the public -
- Agenda for Change
- Consultants Contract
- GP Contract
- Junior Doctors European Working Time Directive
- Superannuation cost increases
Steve
- Consultants Contract
- GP Contract
- Junior Doctors European Working Time Directive
- Superannuation cost increases
19 September 2005, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve1968
DS is correct - the money going over to the private sector paid at a premium is obscene.
It is also however going on pay reform costing millions which is hidden from the public -
It is also however going on pay reform costing millions which is hidden from the public -
- Agenda for Change
- Consultants Contract
- GP Contract
- Junior Doctors European Working Time Directive
- Superannuation cost increases
Steve- Consultants Contract
- GP Contract
- Junior Doctors European Working Time Directive
- Superannuation cost increases
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