MMR Vaccine
21 October 2002, 02:27 PM
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My Little Boy has just turned one and we've had the notification through for his MMR vaccine. My Wife and I, being mega concerned first time parents, have read around the subject and talked to friends but are still not 100% on whether to go down the single vaccine pr MMR routes. We get the impression there is no right or wrong on this one, just differing degrees of risk. We're erring towards taking the Little Chap down there next week and getting it done at the moment after having a long chat with a GP friend at the weekend.
Not the sort of thing to base a decision on after reading up on Scoobynet I know but I'd be interested in any comments on any fellow parents who've been through the same dilemma.
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Not the sort of thing to base a decision on after reading up on Scoobynet I know but I'd be interested in any comments on any fellow parents who've been through the same dilemma.
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21 October 2002, 02:32 PM
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Uh-oh. I suspect this one could run & run. 
Personally, I'd give my children the MMR vaccination. Nothing I've read yet would give me any motivation to put them at risk from these nasty viruses/diseases/illnesses, over and above the miniscule potential risk of autism (which still hasn't been proven conclusively, if it exists at all).
I think it's a call you'll have to make yourself - opinions on this will be as wide and varied as those on fox-hunting.
Personally, I'd give my children the MMR vaccination. Nothing I've read yet would give me any motivation to put them at risk from these nasty viruses/diseases/illnesses, over and above the miniscule potential risk of autism (which still hasn't been proven conclusively, if it exists at all).
I think it's a call you'll have to make yourself - opinions on this will be as wide and varied as those on fox-hunting.
21 October 2002, 02:38 PM
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I really had no problem with the MMR vaccine at all. When Hollie needed it, she had it. I was more worried about the effects of the illnesses than the side effects there was supposed to be, if any.
Remember, it has not been proven as a link to autism, but then again, who's to say there isn't and there's a big cover-up going on.
It's your choice. Do your research.
Remember, it has not been proven as a link to autism, but then again, who's to say there isn't and there's a big cover-up going on.
It's your choice. Do your research.
21 October 2002, 02:40 PM
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Had to make this decision a while back. Due to complications with him when he was born, we decided not to give him the MMR. In the end, just to play it safe, we got him given Measels and Rubella seperately, about 2 months apart. Once we know he is stable he'll have the mumps but at the mo the doctors say its not worth doing.
Gave a friend of mine the details and he's now had his daughter done, again spread over a period of a couple of months. Yes they are immunised, but without having to go with the combined vacine which may or may not cause problems.
Gave a friend of mine the details and he's now had his daughter done, again spread over a period of a couple of months. Yes they are immunised, but without having to go with the combined vacine which may or may not cause problems.
21 October 2002, 02:51 PM
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I'm told the single jab is no different than having 3 seperate.
Apparently with the single jab the vaccines take effect at different times.
We don't have to make this decision for a few months yet
Apparently with the single jab the vaccines take effect at different times.
We don't have to make this decision for a few months yet
21 October 2002, 03:03 PM
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Gonna be facing the same question pretty soon myself for our first kid. I'm not sure what to pick.
The one thing that's sticking in my head was Tony Blair saying that there was no link between MMR and autism but then refusing to say which he'd chosen for his sprog.
Think i might be inclined to choose the seperate jabs.
The one thing that's sticking in my head was Tony Blair saying that there was no link between MMR and autism but then refusing to say which he'd chosen for his sprog.
Think i might be inclined to choose the seperate jabs.
21 October 2002, 03:32 PM
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Had to make the choice, went for the 3-in-1 MMR for both our kids. I accept there's probably some risk (though no-one seems to know why) but thought at the time that this was outweighed by the possibility of my kids catching mumps, measles, or rubella.
Doing the single jabs would have left them exposed for longer, so to our mind there was no question as to which was the best option.
Do what you think best for your kid, and hope for the best. 99.999% (or some massive number) of MMR jabs work out just fine. I just wouldn't want to be the parent of one of the 0.0001% children who end up suffering as a result.
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Doing the single jabs would have left them exposed for longer, so to our mind there was no question as to which was the best option.
Do what you think best for your kid, and hope for the best. 99.999% (or some massive number) of MMR jabs work out just fine. I just wouldn't want to be the parent of one of the 0.0001% children who end up suffering as a result.
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Our first child is 14 months now. We postponed the first MMR appointment, as we had not decided what we were going to do. After doing some research (mainly through the net) my opinion is that there is no benefit/reduced risk in having separate jabs. My wife and I need to discuss this further, but I've not seen anything to dissuade me from giving it to our daughter.
21 October 2002, 04:26 PM
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I've got this decision approaching.. what worries me most is a lot of the crap you read for and against..
How prevalent is measles and rubella? I know that if everyone chose not to vacinate they would make a come back but at the moment if you were NOT immunised how big a life-threatening risk would you be taking? I know from experience that MUMPS is a pain.. but did anyone ever get mentall issues from having it.. Seems the vaccine 'may' be more dangerous than the illnesses themselves...
Need to read more..
How prevalent is measles and rubella? I know that if everyone chose not to vacinate they would make a come back but at the moment if you were NOT immunised how big a life-threatening risk would you be taking? I know from experience that MUMPS is a pain.. but did anyone ever get mentall issues from having it.. Seems the vaccine 'may' be more dangerous than the illnesses themselves...
Need to read more..
21 October 2002, 04:42 PM
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Went for the three jabs seperatly for our daughter. The problem I had with MMR was that there may be a risk I don't think I could live with myself knowing there was an alternative if the unthinkable happened (coincidence or not).
In Europe the MMR is given much later around 18months, the single jabs at 13, 14.5 and 20.5 were not exposing to any greater risk, especially considering the important one (measles) is at 14.5 months.
The issue for me, is not vaccinate or not, but rather the safest way to vaccine. MarkO's comment summed up the attitude of the govt, that they assume if MMR is not given the alternative is not to vaccine at all.
Blair's reluctance to disclose was also a big factor.
In Europe the MMR is given much later around 18months, the single jabs at 13, 14.5 and 20.5 were not exposing to any greater risk, especially considering the important one (measles) is at 14.5 months.
The issue for me, is not vaccinate or not, but rather the safest way to vaccine. MarkO's comment summed up the attitude of the govt, that they assume if MMR is not given the alternative is not to vaccine at all.
Blair's reluctance to disclose was also a big factor.
21 October 2002, 04:48 PM
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Blair's reluctance to disclose was also a big factor
21 October 2002, 05:09 PM
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MarkO in this instance I care what Blair does as he may be in possession of information not in the public domain. Most people presume he is, so if he'd still gone for it this would be a good advert and make the decision easier for others.
21 October 2002, 05:33 PM
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Who cares? The same people who were forced to send their kids to comprehensives because the government told them it was better, while at the same time sending their own children to private schools.
21 October 2002, 05:56 PM
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Was in this position 12 months ago. Went for the 3 in 1 . Chances of illness from that are minute compared to chances of serious problems caused by measels etc (which are also minute).
And the 1 by 1 approach seems to me to leave your kid exposed to risk of catching one of the diseases for a longer period of time compared to having vaccine for all three at once.
Like I say we went for it. I decided there was a far greater chance of my son being eaten by an alligator than complications from MMR
just my 2p
And the 1 by 1 approach seems to me to leave your kid exposed to risk of catching one of the diseases for a longer period of time compared to having vaccine for all three at once.
Like I say we went for it. I decided there was a far greater chance of my son being eaten by an alligator than complications from MMR
just my 2p
21 October 2002, 06:03 PM
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We had the same dilemma last year - went for MMR in the end.
Although I had reservation, my wife's a nurse and she thought it was OK.
Went for it - no problems.
All this hypre about XYZ..
Dan
Although I had reservation, my wife's a nurse and she thought it was OK.
Went for it - no problems.
All this hypre about XYZ..
Dan
21 October 2002, 06:21 PM
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Both kids had the 3 in 1. As usual the media picks up a story and runs with it.. Like everything in life there is a risk but it is a small one, no comfort if you are the 1 in 5000 I know. But if we followed that principle we would not let our kids walk down the street. Knowledge can inhibit as well as provide freedom of choice.
Good luck with which ever path you choose
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21 October 2002, 06:35 PM
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Reasons to give MMR:
1) Recent reviews provide no scientific justification for offering three injections separately. In fact given separately will leave many children open to serious infections as immunity response delayed.
2) No published data that single vaccines are safer than combined.
3) Mumps less effective given alone. Single strain (Urabe) originally withdrawn in '92 due to higher risk of complications affecting brain. Single measles not tested or licensed for UK use. If complications occur goverment/manufacturer not liable.
4) No European country recommends single mumps, measles & rubella vaccines. France uses measles vaccine for older children. We give MMR @ 8 weeks.
5) MMR has caused a dramatic reduction in measles encephalitis in UK & USA. This is a dreadful complication, similar to CJD.
6) Moving from MMR to single vaccines has caused a dramatic rise in infections for Japan.
7) Single vaccines for rubella & measles used till recently, but no control of measles till MMR introduced in '98.
8) MMR vaccination does not appear to wane with time.
9) Measles infection can be a very serious infection with devastating consequences.
On balance any risk of MMR is far outweighed by benefit.
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1) Recent reviews provide no scientific justification for offering three injections separately. In fact given separately will leave many children open to serious infections as immunity response delayed.
2) No published data that single vaccines are safer than combined.
3) Mumps less effective given alone. Single strain (Urabe) originally withdrawn in '92 due to higher risk of complications affecting brain. Single measles not tested or licensed for UK use. If complications occur goverment/manufacturer not liable.
4) No European country recommends single mumps, measles & rubella vaccines. France uses measles vaccine for older children. We give MMR @ 8 weeks.
5) MMR has caused a dramatic reduction in measles encephalitis in UK & USA. This is a dreadful complication, similar to CJD.
6) Moving from MMR to single vaccines has caused a dramatic rise in infections for Japan.
7) Single vaccines for rubella & measles used till recently, but no control of measles till MMR introduced in '98.
8) MMR vaccination does not appear to wane with time.
9) Measles infection can be a very serious infection with devastating consequences.
On balance any risk of MMR is far outweighed by benefit.
NIB.
21 October 2002, 08:01 PM
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About £60.
I don't think it matters whether you go for one by one or all at once, so long as they are immunised.
[Edited by TaviaRS - 10/21/2002 8:03:05 PM]
I don't think it matters whether you go for one by one or all at once, so long as they are immunised.
[Edited by TaviaRS - 10/21/2002 8:03:05 PM]
21 October 2002, 08:10 PM
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Made the decision for the light of my life several months ago. 3 in 1 seemed an easy decision to make when you look at the side effects of some of the diseases it's preventing.
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21 October 2002, 10:38 PM
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So am I being mis-informed? (read my above post)
Having the MMR jab doesn't give protection against each disease straight away, the effects gradually kick in ie. same protection as giving 3 jabs over a period of time. Some of you seem to have choosen MMR cause it gives immediate protection?
Only asking.....we'll have this decision to make in about 8 months.
Having the MMR jab doesn't give protection against each disease straight away, the effects gradually kick in ie. same protection as giving 3 jabs over a period of time. Some of you seem to have choosen MMR cause it gives immediate protection?
Only asking.....we'll have this decision to make in about 8 months.
21 October 2002, 10:48 PM
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Can’t help thinking it’s too much of an emotive decision for me to give ‘advice’ on. There’s loads of information you can get to read up on and make your own, informed, decision.
Good luck.
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Good luck.
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22 October 2002, 01:46 AM
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Looks like i'm the only one here so far not to have my son immunised at all.
He is 5 now and having lost my youngest son due to a medical **** up in hospital there was no way I was going to risk my oldest son having anything that could seriously damage him when there has been so much debate over the safeness of the jab. So having been one of the unlucky ones once, I am not prepared to put my eldest in the hands of doctors beliefs. Sounds a dangerous risk but I had German Measles and Measles as a kid and I hope that if my son was ever unlucky enough to catch measles he would deal with it as well as I did as a kid.
Once upon a time human CJD wasn't linked to infected food products that contained spinal and brain material. Then the scientists turn round and say oh yeah there is a link. Oops.
I strongly believe one day they will find a link that will prove the doubters of MMR right. I don't believe its a risk for all children, but I do believe the children who have had MMR and then got Autism have had some immunity problem with accepting the jabs. I for one am not prepared to find out if my son is one of those children. The Japanese refuse to use MMR and with all the scientists they have and advanced technology they must have their reasons. So far I have heard too many stories of children being diagnosed with autism then having the measles virus found present in their bowel. To me it is too high a risk. Thats my personal choice and one I have to live with. Luckily my ex wife for once agreed with me on something and we have not been torn over this subject. I have seen the TV programmes on MMR and I have seen how evil measles can be and how it can destroy/kill someone, but then autism destroys lives too. I feel guilty as hell not having my son vaccinated but I could not bring myself to do it after seeing one son die at he hands of 'experts'.
Its the most difficult choice as a parent I have had to make. Its not one I took lightly and I still never know whether I have done the right thing. I do not envy other parents who have the same choice to make.
He is 5 now and having lost my youngest son due to a medical **** up in hospital there was no way I was going to risk my oldest son having anything that could seriously damage him when there has been so much debate over the safeness of the jab. So having been one of the unlucky ones once, I am not prepared to put my eldest in the hands of doctors beliefs. Sounds a dangerous risk but I had German Measles and Measles as a kid and I hope that if my son was ever unlucky enough to catch measles he would deal with it as well as I did as a kid.
Once upon a time human CJD wasn't linked to infected food products that contained spinal and brain material. Then the scientists turn round and say oh yeah there is a link. Oops.
I strongly believe one day they will find a link that will prove the doubters of MMR right. I don't believe its a risk for all children, but I do believe the children who have had MMR and then got Autism have had some immunity problem with accepting the jabs. I for one am not prepared to find out if my son is one of those children. The Japanese refuse to use MMR and with all the scientists they have and advanced technology they must have their reasons. So far I have heard too many stories of children being diagnosed with autism then having the measles virus found present in their bowel. To me it is too high a risk. Thats my personal choice and one I have to live with. Luckily my ex wife for once agreed with me on something and we have not been torn over this subject. I have seen the TV programmes on MMR and I have seen how evil measles can be and how it can destroy/kill someone, but then autism destroys lives too. I feel guilty as hell not having my son vaccinated but I could not bring myself to do it after seeing one son die at he hands of 'experts'.
Its the most difficult choice as a parent I have had to make. Its not one I took lightly and I still never know whether I have done the right thing. I do not envy other parents who have the same choice to make.
22 October 2002, 08:36 AM
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I may be wrong but are you not putting him at serious risk for his entire adult life ?
The diseases are far more dangerous for an adult than a child, but now that most people are immunised (via mmr or the seperates) he is highly unlikely to catch it as a child and so will be at constant risk later ?
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(No kids so not had to dig too deeply on this one)
The diseases are far more dangerous for an adult than a child, but now that most people are immunised (via mmr or the seperates) he is highly unlikely to catch it as a child and so will be at constant risk later ?
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(No kids so not had to dig too deeply on this one)
22 October 2002, 10:39 AM
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Thanks for some really interesting replies on this one Folks. This Forum is great for getting a a mixture of sane opinion's on stuff like this (and my Missus thinks we all just talk about 18" OZ wheels all day!). I think we are going to go through with the MMR providing my little one is feeling 100% healthy next week.
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My son had the MMR and the MMR booster and has been fine with both. I didn't want to put him through having more injections than was necessary. It's your decision ultimately.
22 October 2002, 12:22 PM
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Discussed this with my girlfriend last night and we agreed not to go for the MMR when the time comes (sprog is due this week).
We both had the seperate immunisations as babies and it worked fine for us... we don't see the point of doing it differently for our kid. The risk with MMR may be miniscule,insignificant or even coincidental but we can't help thinking 'what if?'.
We both had the seperate immunisations as babies and it worked fine for us... we don't see the point of doing it differently for our kid. The risk with MMR may be miniscule,insignificant or even coincidental but we can't help thinking 'what if?'.
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Have to agree with nim on this one. The research performed on the MMR vaccine and link with autism is fundamentally floored. Not sure even how it got published. The fact of the matter is that the MMR vaccine protects against all three virus's earier ie you will produce an earlier and superior immune response to the MMR than you will to the 3 jabs separately. It could take up to 4-6 months to develop immunity to the 3 seperate jabs.
I for one do not have kids and i understand everyone has there own personal views and rights. Some protection is better than none. I unfortunately have seen a case of measles encephalitis and the child is lucky to be alive. Measles is a killer. What ever you do, make sure you get some sound medical advice before making any decisions.
I for one do not have kids and i understand everyone has there own personal views and rights. Some protection is better than none. I unfortunately have seen a case of measles encephalitis and the child is lucky to be alive. Measles is a killer. What ever you do, make sure you get some sound medical advice before making any decisions.
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Have to agree with nim on this one. The research performed on the MMR vaccine and link with autism is fundamentally floored. Not sure even how it got published. The fact of the matter is that the MMR vaccine protects against all three virus's earier ie you will produce an earlier and superior immune response to the MMR than you will to the 3 jabs separately. It could take up to 4-6 months to develop immunity to the 3 seperate jabs.
I for one do not have kids and i understand everyone has there own personal views and rights. Some protection is better than none. I unfortunately have seen a case of measles encephalitis and the child is lucky to be alive. Measles is a killer. What ever you do, make sure you get some sound medical advice before making any decisions.
I for one do not have kids and i understand everyone has there own personal views and rights. Some protection is better than none. I unfortunately have seen a case of measles encephalitis and the child is lucky to be alive. Measles is a killer. What ever you do, make sure you get some sound medical advice before making any decisions.
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