stipete75

Film maker/director David Crowley was in the process of making a film called "grey state", a controversial film depicting our governments and the way our life's are played.....unfortunately he was found dead with his wife and young daughter of apparent suicide by gunshot a few days ago.

A docu film is on YouTube but not completed in its entirety.
An eye opening watch if you can manage a couple of hours out of your busy lives..................Martin!

Turbohot

Looks intriguing. Will watch it this weekend. All three dying like that is family dying like that is horrific.

Just wondering, if the film is so revolutionarily revealing to get the film maker and his family killed, then how come the nearly finished product is floating about on the Internet, if it's such a threat to the governments? If they can kill him, then one would think they can have this film wiped from internet? Or, was it mainly the end bit which was successfully prohibited to go on show with his death?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Once it's out there, it's difficult to control.
They can keep taking it down, it reappears somewhere else.

stipete75

Allegedly Crowely had £30m funding recently secured to make the movie( off the documentary) from independent sponsors, someone did not want a film in development for the mainstream maybe????

Turbohot

Oh, right!

Thanks, Pete.

markjmd

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Well, maybe, just maybe, the pressure of knowing he'd have to go ahead and produce a more professional-looking film for the mainstream was too much for him, and he really did top himself (after taking out his family first).

jonc

Maybe it was the North Koreans.

Turbohot

Yeah, but why would he do that? He took the project on, which could have made him a name and got him fame (it's even doing it posthumously), and he was a film maker by profession. It could have been a 'murder-suicide' under pressure, I agree. But who's to say that the pressure wasn't caused by the threats from the governments; the pressure of getting stopped from going ahead instead, I mean?

All sorts of possibilities, aren't there. Who knows.

An0n0m0us

hodgy0_2

because he is a mentally unstable nutcase!!!!

What's he trying to prove - that the US government would fire on it's own people, and impose laws and "control" that some people don't like

we already know this - they did it in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, nothing new or secret

that is what governments do

Turbohot

Yes, that's a possibility, too.

stipete75

The msm are portraying him as mentally unstable nutcase by showing pictures of his gun collection and hunting attire, what they fail to say is they are his paintball guns and clothing, also he had props of weapons clothing etc for his film making.
He was upbeat and excited about the possibilities of his project finally getting the go ahead, he was 29years of age with a young family, and often seen playing with his daughter in the street....he had debts yeah but who doesn't?
Did you watch the documentary hodgy?
It is very informative.

hodgy0_2

I watched the trailer

the difficulty with this stuff, is that Americans have a very different relationship with their Government

very different to Europe - and understandably so, given the history (and birth) of the US

a lot of these, we will call them conspiracy theorists, for want of a better word do, understandably, in some ways feel let down by the US government

I think this frustration leads to this anti government anti authority paranoia

Maz

iTrader: (34)

I don't think there is a massive degree of separation between yourself Hodgy and some aspects of conspiracy theorists. You accept that Governments sometime undertake clandestine and unsavoury operations. Conspiracy theorists presume the administrations are noble and honourable, or should be noble and honourable. Plus transparent.

hodgy0_2

sure, some things the Government's keep secret - that's why we have a Secret Service, and an Official Secrets Act after all - not rocket science or indeed, in itself, evidence of a vast conspiracy

some of it is necessary - or the Government think is necessary, and some isn't

one of the bete noire's of the 911 conspiracy theorists is that the US government passed a lot of (restrictive and intrusive) laws - e.g. the Patriot Act post 911, ergo they planned 911 to get these laws passed - why, they don't have to plan and execute terrorist attacks to pass these laws

but when 911 happened, did they ask for them, off course they did - ask any law enforcement officer/agency whether he/she wants/needs more powers - and they will say yes, that's what they do, its like asking an alcoholic if he wants another drink

ask the secret service whether it wants to keep secrets (whether there is any real need to) and they will say - "fvck yeah"

but that is not evidence of a conspiracy

the fact that they conspired with the large tech companies to have access to our data is a fact - how do we know this because we have evidence

the fact that the US and UK conspired to fly prisoners around the globe to "black sites" to torture them is a fact - how do we know this because we have evidence

stipete75

You watched the trailer that was filmed a few years ago of a fake film, ie not in production or made.
The documentary is completely different and well worth a watch.
I personally don't think it has anything to do with feeling let down by the US government, American people are steadily starting to realise they no longer live in a free democracy, they are nothing more than pawns,slaves just as we are,,it's happening right now. Our children and children's children will never know a life like we had.

hodgy0_2

if it is the case that American's "are steadily starting to realise they no longer live in a free democracy"

wouldn't that suggest that - as upholders of a "free democracy", the US Government has let its citizens down

Martin2005

You are ignoring their Constitution and Supreme Court...conveniently!

stipete75

Well if you put it that way yes I agree to a certain extent

stipete75

Did you watch the documentary Martin before deciding to comment?

Turbohot

Has anyone seen this tonight on the news re. Alberto Nisman (Argentina)?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30957141

I'm sorry, but it does stink.

scoobyland

I don't even know what a sheeple is.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

It isn't hard to make a government as inept as Kirchner's look worse than it already is. It's part of the price you pay for constantly playing to the media, without having anything very concrete to back it up

Turbohot

To my understanding, sheeple means people who follow just one view on something as a herd of sheep. I may be wrong, though.

Martin2005

It's what the people inside the asylum call those on the outside

scoobyland

Asylum seekers? We don't need any more. VOTE UKIP