going front mount which one
30 November 2011, 07:45 PM
#2
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (15)
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Somewhere halfway between heaven and hell, some call it earth!
Posts: 1,305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
JDM 2003 STI with a 2.5? what happened there?! You changed the bulletproof 2.0 JDM engine for a 2.5? is it strengthened?
That side...
Best bang for buck i've seen is the hybrid FMIC. Very well priced and have been used on many cars even at 500hp+
That side...
Best bang for buck i've seen is the hybrid FMIC. Very well priced and have been used on many cars even at 500hp+
30 November 2011, 07:48 PM
#3
Firstly, why are you doing it? Have you looked into any gains/ losses to be had?
Before doing anything I'd contact Harvey Smith, he posts as harvey on here, he will explain the pro's and con's fro your setup, advise on the best solution and sell you the Hybrid, or Hybrid GT at a decent price, even fit it at a fixed price.
Before doing anything I'd contact Harvey Smith, he posts as harvey on here, he will explain the pro's and con's fro your setup, advise on the best solution and sell you the Hybrid, or Hybrid GT at a decent price, even fit it at a fixed price.
30 November 2011, 07:50 PM
#4
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
30 November 2011, 07:54 PM
#6
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (15)
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Somewhere halfway between heaven and hell, some call it earth!
Posts: 1,305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My heart skipped a beat there
As Alcazar said, Harvey will be the man to talk to in the department of FMICs. FMIC should be adding more power at that level, it certainly won't cost you any. It'll keep charge temps down and reduce Det if there is any. Might lose the very slightest amount of spool but i doubt you'd even notice it
Trending Topics
30 November 2011, 08:13 PM
#9
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fair play sir!
My heart skipped a beat there
As Alcazar said, Harvey will be the man to talk to in the department of FMICs. FMIC should be adding more power at that level, it certainly won't cost you any. It'll keep charge temps down and reduce Det if there is any. Might lose the very slightest amount of spool but i doubt you'd even notice it
My heart skipped a beat there
As Alcazar said, Harvey will be the man to talk to in the department of FMICs. FMIC should be adding more power at that level, it certainly won't cost you any. It'll keep charge temps down and reduce Det if there is any. Might lose the very slightest amount of spool but i doubt you'd even notice it
02 December 2011, 05:10 PM
#16
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (15)
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Somewhere halfway between heaven and hell, some call it earth!
Posts: 1,305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If the classic fits as Shaun suggests then you are:
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...9-impreza.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...9-impreza.html
02 December 2011, 09:01 PM
#18
I do not have any New Age kits but as Shaun says above, if you are prepared to do a bit of work the Classic GT or GT2 kits will fit and make a good job. They are £335 and £375 respectively and we fit for a fixed rate of £200.
I would also point out that the two Classic cores are more efficient than the New Age core used by Hybrid on New Age kits to the present date.
I would also point out that the two Classic cores are more efficient than the New Age core used by Hybrid on New Age kits to the present date.
02 December 2011, 11:10 PM
#19
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (15)
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Somewhere halfway between heaven and hell, some call it earth!
Posts: 1,305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I do not have any New Age kits but as Shaun says above, if you are prepared to do a bit of work the Classic GT or GT2 kits will fit and make a good job. They are £335 and £375 respectively and we fit for a fixed rate of £200.
I would also point out that the two Classic cores are more efficient than the New Age core used by Hybrid on New Age kits to the present date.
I would also point out that the two Classic cores are more efficient than the New Age core used by Hybrid on New Age kits to the present date.
Larger cores or better core design?
03 December 2011, 09:19 AM
#24
Scooby Regular
So just because they cost more means they're a better option then?
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
Last edited by Shaun; 03 December 2011 at 09:22 AM.
03 December 2011, 11:38 AM
#25
The histoy behind the Hybrid is interesting, drift cars require good cooling !!. When I replaced my intercooler on my GTR did some looking to fing something better than the original core of the Nissan. I eventually went for an Apexi, as I was luckey to find one for a god price. If doing the same again it would be Hybrid.
03 December 2011, 12:38 PM
#26
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (20)
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 1,961
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So just because they cost more means they're a better option then?
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
Last edited by stevep360; 03 December 2011 at 12:43 PM.
03 December 2011, 01:45 PM
#27
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2009
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So just because they cost more means they're a better option then?
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
Don't get sucked in by that theory as it's not always the case.
I have had the top of the range Hyperflow Monster Kit before and the current Hybrid appears to deliver as good results. Which even with fitting is around 1/3rd of the cost.
By the way, I don't spend less because I have to.... I spend less if it makes sense to.
You wouldn't catch me spending £1200+vat+fitting on a FMIC again when good alternatives exist.
Of course if you wish to blow money like that that's your business..... and a whole tuning industry relies on the fact that people like you will.
03 December 2011, 02:30 PM
#28
The GT and GT2 cores on Classic kits is latest technology and design whereas the New Age kits were from the previous generation.
Where intercoolers are concerned, bigger is not necessarily better.
The intercooler has to be big enough to dissipate the heat for the given application but it also has to be efficient and the less pressure drop the less hard the turbo is working to provide a set boost and consequently the less heat the turbo is generating. Too big an intercooler and you have air volume that you do not need.
Can I also point out that when Shaun considered a FMIC for his car, some were predicting it was a retrograde step. There was never any doubt in my mind, based on the information Shaun was already able to provide and based on what he wanted, that the benefits would be readily obvious.
Proof is in the pudding. Not all applications benefit from a front mount so it is important to know as much as possible about the installation and make a knowledgeable judgement.
Hybrid have been very clever in their design and both the Hybrid GT and GT2 are tube and fin. The difference between the GT and the GT2 is that the GT2 has redesigned end tanks to improve air distribution through the core. Because both of these intercoolers are bigger than they need to be for the average application but big enough to deal with the odd big power application, the benefits from reduced pressure drop are very evident in ultimate performance terms. Old school thinking was that you needed a heavy bar and plate, the logic being that the heavy mass of aluminium would soak up the heat and in some applications this is very true but the much lighter tube and fin can handle most applications because it is impossible to drive at WOT for long periods. By long periods I mean upwards of 30 seconds or more or some similar figure. On prolonged wide open throttle the bar and plate would come in to its own because of its capacity to absorb heat slowly but for the majority of drivers, even on track, how often can they ever use WOT for more than half a minute or whatever. The superior tube and fin and with the design Hybrid have come up with can quickly deal with sudden heat applications more efficiently than any bar and plate with minimal pressure drop.
I actually have an APS kit on one car and Hybrid GT kits on two others so I think I am well qualified to comment on the ability of the APS kit. It is inferior to the performance of both Hybrid front mounts and this has been commented on by several passengers in the car including Bob Rawle when he has been mapping when he observed that the ACTs on the APS equipped car were noticably higher than those on the Hybrid GT equipped cars. At some point I will remove the APS and fit a Hybrid. HTH.
Where intercoolers are concerned, bigger is not necessarily better.
The intercooler has to be big enough to dissipate the heat for the given application but it also has to be efficient and the less pressure drop the less hard the turbo is working to provide a set boost and consequently the less heat the turbo is generating. Too big an intercooler and you have air volume that you do not need.
Can I also point out that when Shaun considered a FMIC for his car, some were predicting it was a retrograde step. There was never any doubt in my mind, based on the information Shaun was already able to provide and based on what he wanted, that the benefits would be readily obvious.
Proof is in the pudding. Not all applications benefit from a front mount so it is important to know as much as possible about the installation and make a knowledgeable judgement.
Hybrid have been very clever in their design and both the Hybrid GT and GT2 are tube and fin. The difference between the GT and the GT2 is that the GT2 has redesigned end tanks to improve air distribution through the core. Because both of these intercoolers are bigger than they need to be for the average application but big enough to deal with the odd big power application, the benefits from reduced pressure drop are very evident in ultimate performance terms. Old school thinking was that you needed a heavy bar and plate, the logic being that the heavy mass of aluminium would soak up the heat and in some applications this is very true but the much lighter tube and fin can handle most applications because it is impossible to drive at WOT for long periods. By long periods I mean upwards of 30 seconds or more or some similar figure. On prolonged wide open throttle the bar and plate would come in to its own because of its capacity to absorb heat slowly but for the majority of drivers, even on track, how often can they ever use WOT for more than half a minute or whatever. The superior tube and fin and with the design Hybrid have come up with can quickly deal with sudden heat applications more efficiently than any bar and plate with minimal pressure drop.
I actually have an APS kit on one car and Hybrid GT kits on two others so I think I am well qualified to comment on the ability of the APS kit. It is inferior to the performance of both Hybrid front mounts and this has been commented on by several passengers in the car including Bob Rawle when he has been mapping when he observed that the ACTs on the APS equipped car were noticably higher than those on the Hybrid GT equipped cars. At some point I will remove the APS and fit a Hybrid. HTH.
Last edited by harvey; 03 December 2011 at 02:36 PM.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
supshon
General Technical
2
03 October 2015 08:06 PM
MightyArsenal
Wheels, Tyres & Brakes
6
25 September 2015 08:31 PM