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Old 03 December 2004, 10:54 PM
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I HAVE A INTERMITTANT NON STARTING FAULT, USUALY WHEN ITS IN THE MOST EMBARRASING PLACE..SCHOOL..PETROL STATION ETC...
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ENGINE TURNS OVER AND OVER BUT DOSENT FIRE. THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT COMES ON WITH THE CAT OVERHEATING WARNING LIGHT ON.?
I HAVE A FULL DECAT EXHAUST FROM HAYWARD AND SCOTT. THE SENSOR WHICH WAS IN THE CAT IS COILED UP IN THE ENGINE BAY.
AFTER A COUPLE OF MINS WAITING, THE ENGINE WILL FIRE UP ,MISS FOR A BIT THEN RUN AS NORMAL...

HELP
Old 03 December 2004, 11:44 PM
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did you have this prob before decat
Old 04 December 2004, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by washer
did you have this prob before decat
i had the exhaust system for nearly 2 years now? no problems?
Old 04 December 2004, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxscoobydoo
i had the exhaust system for nearly 2 years now? no problems?
do you have a alarm fitterd i had probs like yours on a plug cat 2 alarm nogo sat for 10mins then it would start
Old 04 December 2004, 11:34 PM
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do the obvious...

does it turn over yes no....

if yes, does the fuel pump chirp on initial key turn yes no

if yes unplug cam sensor and replug does it start yes no

if yes it coud be the cam sensor... if no do the same for the crank sensor

its probably one of these two thats giving the prob...


i did the cam first, it was the crank


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Old 05 December 2004, 06:55 PM
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Shame you a far distance away otherwise i could plug in my diagnostics and let you know whats wrong.

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Old 07 December 2004, 12:26 AM
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yes the engine turns over. were is the cam sensor? were is the crank sensor?
Originally Posted by mart360
do the obvious...

does it turn over yes no....

if yes, does the fuel pump chirp on initial key turn yes no

if yes unplug cam sensor and replug does it start yes no

if yes it coud be the cam sensor... if no do the same for the crank sensor

its probably one of these two thats giving the prob...


i did the cam first, it was the crank


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Old 07 December 2004, 12:28 AM
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i had the guy who fitted the alarm etc to disconnect it.. i ran round for a couple of weeks and it still did it...
Originally Posted by washer
do you have a alarm fitterd i had probs like yours on a plug cat 2 alarm nogo sat for 10mins then it would start
Old 09 December 2004, 03:52 PM
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I've had that problem but no check light came on so I ruled out sensors and blamed transponder immobiliser but ive never proved it cause it happens so rarely. How often does yours do it.
Old 17 December 2004, 04:25 PM
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If its a UK car since 99 with the factory alarm and the engine turns over then it is unlikely to be related to the Sigma alarm/immobiliser as this also cuts the starter/crank circuit.
The vehicles also have a transponder immobiliser, but this was not Thatcham approved (hence the Sigma Cat 1) and this only cuts fuel or ignition and still allows the engine to crank.
Cant help with what the problem may be, but hope this may identify an area that it's not.
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Thats why im suggesting transponder because car kranks but doesn't fire. Could be the factory fuel cut.
Old 24 December 2004, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by flatoutscooby
Thats why im suggesting transponder because car kranks but doesn't fire. Could be the factory fuel cut.
I PUT IT DOWN TO THE COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR. IT ONLY SEEMS TO HAPPEN WHEN STARTING FROM COLD, DRIVING A SHORT DISTANCE,SWITCHING OFF.. i.e PETROL FIL UP .. THEN WHEN YOU TRY AND START IT IT JUST TURNS OVER BUT DOSENT FIRE.
Old 24 December 2004, 07:43 AM
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Crank sensor!

on the front of the engine below the alternator, between the pulleys..

the cam sensor looks identical and is below the oil filler.. unplug and unbolt and pull out and clean them both (don't muddle them though) and refit and hopefully the problem will be gone until they get dirty again.
Old 24 December 2004, 09:33 AM
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yup, cam or crank sensor.
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