RS_Matt

Am I right in thinking if another tuner remaps my car's ECU Ecutek software he has to load a suitable Ecutek base map of their own and tweak from that?

Shaun

I'm not sure of the specifics, but I'm pretty sure you can read a map that's already on. Again, not sure what that ultimately enables, in respect of what can be reusable by a n other.

It's all probably a moot point as I've never personally known any mapper that would want to re-use someone elses map. Well.... certainly not the mappers I use.

RS_Matt

Yes I get your point, another tuner would want the map to be safe and in their style even if it's for the smallest of tweaks. Different backbox etc.

Just been quoted £350 for another map without the license. Happy to pay it but I was hoping a tuner could see the existing map is working well and tweak it.

I mean I've never met a mapper yet who has checked the condition of the rest of the engine etc. Boost leaks, pre turbo leaks, dirty maf etc etc.

cookstar

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I was refused a map tweak ( Ecutek) as it had been mapped by another.

BrownPantsRacing

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I was always told this wouldn't happen with Ecutek and any mapper can tweek the map for basic charges once you'd paid for the license. Very strange and annoying for you.

RS_Matt

Just read email again. Tuner says 'Ecutec software wont let them tweak what’s there.'

I didn't realise that! Half the reason I choose Ecutek!

Jolly Green Monster

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It's not possible to read another EcuTek mappers map off an ecu. Not that any self respecting EcuTek mapper would want or need to. However it does mean the customer has to pay for a full map if they want it done somewhere else.

There are numerous different ways to map a car and get to the outcome even if the outcome is the same no two mappers would do it the same. There are also numerous settings outside of the ones adjusted during mapping which are setup by each mapper in a different way so starting from your own base map is much better than from a future point of view. Ie. you mapped my car last and now it's doing this that and the other, despite not altering that part of the map.

Simon

RS_Matt

So you'll need a bit more money off me Thursday Morning?

Jolly Green Monster

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Yhpm

Cocker

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Its this isn't it with ECUTEK (all prices are guesses as I don't know the exact breakdown!!

Mapper 1 - Ecutek licence £300 plus map of £350 = £650

Then a few mods down the line....

Mapper 1 - Ecutek tweek £150

Then customer move 500 miles away, adds a few more mods, but choses to use a different mapper....

Mapper 2 - Fresh Ecutek map £350. No licence fee to be paid

cookstar

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Sounds about right.

Shaun

EcuTEK license is £150.... or it used to be.

Simon,
I thought there was a way of "raping" the map data off, in some way shape or form. Obviously not based on what you've said.

gazzawrx

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£300 for the license is rediculous, i paid about £400- £450 for my first map including the mapping, the price of the license and rolling road use at rcm for a few hours. Whoever charges £300 for the license or more than £450 total are quite frankly taking the p1ss.

Jolly Green Monster

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Plus vat.

Nope.

JGlanzaV

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This is why it pays to get a decent ecu....

120quid for a tweak from anywhere...

Shaun

The OEM ecu is decent, in fact it's very good IMO, facilities required dependant.

Jolly Green Monster

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Problem is when you main drive is how much it's going to cost your focus is all wrong. IMHO

Shaun

You want to say that in English Simon.

tweaks

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For the vast majority, it's always going to boil down to what they can afford.
It's the same with anything these days, let's be fair a subaru owner doesn't need to be in elite categories for the uber rich money no object type.

Tim

Jolly Green Monster

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I give up with the ipads auto correct. Ffs.

RS_Matt

Anyway can the stock 2003 2 port BC hold 1.5 BAR in 1st-3rd gear and 1.4 BAR in 4th-5th?

I don't mind forking out £100 for one but I have read many stories and talked to people who report boost issues due to incorrect pill or pill placement after they've had one fitted.

Tuners only ever reply 'they give better boost control' which doesn't really answer the underlying question. Is the main benefit a slightly smoother boost curve, high boost holding capabilities or to stop boost creep or spikes?

Jolly Green Monster

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Sometimes the 3port gives quicker boost control and the ability to run higher boost. However 90% of the time the 2port works perfect. There is also times when a 2port just can't control the boost sufficiently on some large turbos. It's unlikely that most turbos will hold boost at high rpm - VF or td04, guessing you have one or the other.
Spikes or boost creep aren't normally as a result of being on a 2port.

RS_Matt

TD05, been told it's running at just under 1.6bar and 1.4bar but after experiencing a 1.5bar fuel cut due to split vac hose I think it's probably 1.2ish.

I change gear at 7400 on the strip so I would like to hold boost as good as it can.

Can the TD05 go higher than 1.5 BAR for casual use? By that I mean no sustained hard driving that you'd encounter on a track day or long spirited drive on the moors. Basically I drive like an old fart with occasionally launch in 1st and 2nd (Daily I never go beyond 70mph or floor it in 4th or 5th) and I'm of the understanding a Turbo is only inefficient if it's very hot.

Can we risk pushing near max on this sturdy Turbo?