Fizz

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No pete.

Mine failed too.... I had to pay out full wack too....

Oh symptons...

terrible hesitation, random boost fluctuations (i.e. footdown ok, next time nothing), dodgy idling on occasions and poor starting.

[Edited by Fizz - 8/6/2003 5:20:11 PM]

greasemonkey

Hmmm, interesting, if unfortunately expensive. Not sure any of us have worked on the assumption that the MAF sensor element on the newer cars were unbreakable - it was always going to take time before this sort of problem would make itself known, just as it did with the 99/00's.

It doesn't really matter what the design of the sensor is though, they're all prone to damage when used with heavily oiled air filters.

Zippy - did the garage actually notice oil contamination on the sensor element, or did they merely spot that you had the ITG installed and say "No warranty!"?

For future reference, it might also be worth enquiring to see if it's possible to get the sensor element separate from the entire housing, as is the case with the 99/00 part. If it is, it's likely to save a fair bit of money when compared with the cost of the full assembly.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 8/6/2003 10:05:36 PM]

Steve vRS

Mmmm. Might swap my ITG back to the standard filter.

Steve

PS ITG filter for sale £25

[Edited by Steve Sherwen - 8/7/2003 9:23:42 AM]

ZIPPY

Hs anybody had this at all on the 01 model onwards, mine has been diagnosed as failling and isnt covered under warranty because of an ITG filter and the new one is £320 + Vat.

I'm interested on peoples experiances but only on the Bugeye as i know the classics can suffer MAF failurte regulary.

Zippy

Pete Croney

Zippy

As far as I know yours is the only MAF failure on an 01-03.

I see you've bought one already but should anyone else ever have this problem, good used ones are available for approx £100+vat.

Jza

Can you post your symptons of the MAF failue please - as in what's gone wrong to make you get it checked?

Jza

LoFi

Fizz, was yours with replacement filter too?

LoFi

EMS

I also replaced one, the car had about 50000 miles. (so the MAF is NOT unbreakable on the >MY01!)

Mark.

ZIPPY

The garage just said ITG filter fitted no warranty claim,i only found out the MAF was failing after Pat (mapper) connected Delta Dash up to my car and noticed it was pulling more fuel at idle.

I changed it with another cars MAF and it was all OK on the Delta Dash, i noticed no problems at all with my cars performance or idling now wether i caught it before it went completely i dont know but i didnt drive it at all until the replacement was fitted yesterday.

I want to know how Subaru can charge £62 for a classic MAF and £320 for the bugeye onwards and why do you have to have the complete airbox unit and pipework when you only need the MAF itself.

Zippy

Jza

Is there any easy way of telling if your MAF is "on the way out"

Jza

ZIPPY

As far as i know the only way to tell if its starting to fail as mine was,is if you have Delta Dash to read the currents settings.

When it starts to get worse you will have dodgy idling and hesitation when accelerating.

Hope this helps.

Zippy

greasemonkey

First of all, Subaru don't always charge £62 for the classic MAF sensor element. The 99/00 version normally sells for something like £70 in most dealers, although the exact price varies with the amount of discount they're prepared to give.

Secondly, many dealers will try and charge you for the complete classic MAF sensor and housing assembly, which works out at something like £230, again dependent on the level of discount.

One of the reasons why the "same" part on the New Age cars is dearer is because the airbox upper half and MAF sensor housing are a single moulding (the sensor housing is separate on the classics).

However, I would suspect (although I don't know this for a fact), that the new age MAF sensor element is available on its own, at a lower cost, in exactly the same manner that it is for the classics. It's easily removable from the intake duct, so there's no good technical reason why you wouldn't be able to buy it separately...

The only problem you have is that without knowing for certain that you can buy it on its own, you're not really in a position to argue with the dealer. Suggest that phoning round a few dealers (especially that one in Liverpool selling 99/00 sensor elements for £62!) would be a good move.

[Edited by greasemonkey - 8/8/2003 5:35:40 PM]

WREXY

Don't forget that the seperate MAF was available for the MY99/00s from only this last year. Before, you had to buy the full kit and it was expensive as many people found out. Maybe subaru will do the same for the new age car later on.

Cheers,

George.

Pete Croney

Its unlikely that this part is unique to Subarus and very likely that if it is fitted to something like a Honda, then Honda dealers will sell it as a separate item.

Fizz

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I have my old maf in my hands at this minute. There is no way that that would come apart to replace any of it... It's completely moulded shut and will mot separate in any way..

John WRX

check here, mines just gone again, lasted 6000 miles. cost me 70 quid just for the sensor last time but now they are like rocking horse sh4t and i cant get one

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=238590

my94

MAF bloody tastic...........they are far to fragile for my liking.
Suffering nackered MAF at the moment too:-(
Had to drive so slow to make it home,was overtaken by a nissan micra....................:-(

greasemonkey

Probably a silly question John, but can you think of any reason why it went so quick - induction kit, non-standard panel filter fitted, or something like that?

Pete Croney

Fizz

We are talking about the MAF cartridge, as opposed to the MAF and filter box lid... which is silly money.

ozzy

failing Maf's isn't just a Scooby phenomenon. My old man's Vectra's failed a few weeks back and it cost him £141+VAT from the local Vauxhall Dealer. It comes in a moulded tube too and can't be bought seperately

I'm still very dubious about blaming ITG filters for all the failures. To date I haven't seen anyone actually produce any evidence that an ITG directly caused a single MAF failure.

These seem to be very fragile and fail regularly on other makes of car.

Stefan

Bob Rawle

Regarding the maf cartridge, try asking the dealer for 22680AA310 which is listed as the cartridge only for the EJ205 and EJ207 engines MY01 onwards (all models)

cheers

bob

Jza

"I'm still very dubious about blaming ITG filters for all the failures. To date I haven't seen anyone actually produce any evidence that an ITG directly caused a single MAF failure."

Me too... but whenver anyone posts about MAF failure - they always seem to have a non OE filter....

Jza

EvilBevel

Nope, lots of people with OEM filter and broken/degrading MAF.

They just "go" after about 2 years.

I'm not sure if Subaru still use a Bosch sensor on the MY01>, but they fail on Seat, Audi, VW, BMW, etc etc (even more often). Same sensor.

The oil is probably coming from the breather system, as Pete said.

Bexlee

I had to replace my MAF after using an ITG (MY01) and I discussed it here at the time (around March 2002); but most people on SN were saying it must have been something else! It wasn't.

Have since changed back to OE paper filter with no prblems at all.

Bex

Gridlock Mikey

Zippy, put ya OE filter back in (if you have it) and go to a different dealer. A bit naughty maybe but they do take the pi55 at every opportunity. Trade in prices, servicing schedules and costs,"you have to buy the whole thing...." etc etc. So for the sake of taking a sticker off, replacing the filter and keeping a straight face, let the warranty take the cost.
Be guilt free and use a different dealer. I did

Mikey