Has anyone got a Cosworth?
16 July 2012, 11:16 PM
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Think about it this way. Buy a new hatch sti, 33 odd grand then fit Better suspension, bigger brakes, forge the engine, add supporting mods, custom interior, subtle body mods, bigger wheels to name just a few differences oh and a new ecu licence and mapping session and you could quite quickly kiss good by t A) your three year warranty and B) the 14k change.
The CS was or should be looked at as a drive in drive out package and with some penny pinching I appreciate you could mod a std sti to a run higher bhp and have some more cash left in the bank but remember most people would be happy with 400bhp, they had to offer the car to a wide range of people let alone tempt folk in Europe and still be able to give it warranty. And don't forget it still a limited edition that always fetch more cash.
The CS was or should be looked at as a drive in drive out package and with some penny pinching I appreciate you could mod a std sti to a run higher bhp and have some more cash left in the bank but remember most people would be happy with 400bhp, they had to offer the car to a wide range of people let alone tempt folk in Europe and still be able to give it warranty. And don't forget it still a limited edition that always fetch more cash.
17 July 2012, 01:42 AM
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Personally think think the CS400 is a great motor now you can get one brand new for 40k. You should be pleased with you new purchase. Mikey if your up for letting a mag review both cars back I can get somEthing arranged would be a great day out for us both to 
17 July 2012, 07:53 AM
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I agree that the performance is strong - I have modded my newage to 420bhp and am more than satisfied with the shove on track, twisties, and autobahn. At this level you are well able to surprise exotica - as one 456 Italia found out on the autobahn a couple of months ago.
That said, the CS400 was not set up with driveability in mind - which was a mistake to my mind - so it will be murdered by the larger displacement AMGs, Porkers, GTRs, etc., in the daily driving driveability stakes, as the motoring press reported. It would be forgivable for exotica to lack a little driveability off the circuit or mountain passes but this is an important aspect of a new car with 5-doors and a hatchback.
I would not say that the car is as fast as a GTR in most conditions, as the GTR's sequential gearbox makes putting urge to tarmac very easy, and the larger engine displacement means a smoother delivery of torque across a wider range. The GTR is a ridiculously driveable car.
My earlier point was that the CS ain't great value for money - when compared to AMGs, M Beemers, Porkers, GTRs, etc as with those you are getting better driveability, nicer interior, more street cred, and an unending stream of skirt thrown in for your money.
Viewed as a warrantied drive-in-drive-out, it is not too bad VFM working on the assumption that people by a new car that they don't want and immedeately invest a further 50% modifying it... Granted some people do this, but I don't see the logic when there are so many lightly used three year-olds around looking for a good home.
Let's be honest. Sportscars are an emotive purchase as opposed to a purchase that can be described in terms of value for money. If these owners like their cars, that's good enough. And by all accounts, the CS is a blindingly quick car at 10/10ths in all weather conditions.
That said, the CS400 was not set up with driveability in mind - which was a mistake to my mind - so it will be murdered by the larger displacement AMGs, Porkers, GTRs, etc., in the daily driving driveability stakes, as the motoring press reported. It would be forgivable for exotica to lack a little driveability off the circuit or mountain passes but this is an important aspect of a new car with 5-doors and a hatchback.
I would not say that the car is as fast as a GTR in most conditions, as the GTR's sequential gearbox makes putting urge to tarmac very easy, and the larger engine displacement means a smoother delivery of torque across a wider range. The GTR is a ridiculously driveable car.
My earlier point was that the CS ain't great value for money - when compared to AMGs, M Beemers, Porkers, GTRs, etc as with those you are getting better driveability, nicer interior, more street cred, and an unending stream of skirt thrown in for your money.
Viewed as a warrantied drive-in-drive-out, it is not too bad VFM working on the assumption that people by a new car that they don't want and immedeately invest a further 50% modifying it... Granted some people do this, but I don't see the logic when there are so many lightly used three year-olds around looking for a good home.
Let's be honest. Sportscars are an emotive purchase as opposed to a purchase that can be described in terms of value for money. If these owners like their cars, that's good enough. And by all accounts, the CS is a blindingly quick car at 10/10ths in all weather conditions.
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17 July 2012, 09:27 AM
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I agree that the performance is strong - I have modded my newage to 420bhp and am more than satisfied with the shove on track, twisties, and autobahn. At this level you are well able to surprise exotica - as one 456 Italia found out on the autobahn a couple of months ago.
That said, the CS400 was not set up with driveability in mind - which was a mistake to my mind - so it will be murdered by the larger displacement AMGs, Porkers, GTRs, etc., in the daily driving driveability stakes, as the motoring press reported. It would be forgivable for exotica to lack a little driveability off the circuit or mountain passes but this is an important aspect of a new car with 5-doors and a hatchback.
I would not say that the car is as fast as a GTR in most conditions, as the GTR's sequential gearbox makes putting urge to tarmac very easy, and the larger engine displacement means a smoother delivery of torque across a wider range. The GTR is a ridiculously driveable car.
My earlier point was that the CS ain't great value for money - when compared to AMGs, M Beemers, Porkers, GTRs, etc as with those you are getting better driveability, nicer interior, more street cred, and an unending stream of skirt thrown in for your money.
Viewed as a warrantied drive-in-drive-out, it is not too bad VFM working on the assumption that people by a new car that they don't want and immedeately invest a further 50% modifying it... Granted some people do this, but I don't see the logic when there are so many lightly used three year-olds around looking for a good home.
Let's be honest. Sportscars are an emotive purchase as opposed to a purchase that can be described in terms of value for money. If these owners like their cars, that's good enough. And by all accounts, the CS is a blindingly quick car at 10/10ths in all weather conditions.
That said, the CS400 was not set up with driveability in mind - which was a mistake to my mind - so it will be murdered by the larger displacement AMGs, Porkers, GTRs, etc., in the daily driving driveability stakes, as the motoring press reported. It would be forgivable for exotica to lack a little driveability off the circuit or mountain passes but this is an important aspect of a new car with 5-doors and a hatchback.
I would not say that the car is as fast as a GTR in most conditions, as the GTR's sequential gearbox makes putting urge to tarmac very easy, and the larger engine displacement means a smoother delivery of torque across a wider range. The GTR is a ridiculously driveable car.
My earlier point was that the CS ain't great value for money - when compared to AMGs, M Beemers, Porkers, GTRs, etc as with those you are getting better driveability, nicer interior, more street cred, and an unending stream of skirt thrown in for your money.
Viewed as a warrantied drive-in-drive-out, it is not too bad VFM working on the assumption that people by a new car that they don't want and immedeately invest a further 50% modifying it... Granted some people do this, but I don't see the logic when there are so many lightly used three year-olds around looking for a good home.
Let's be honest. Sportscars are an emotive purchase as opposed to a purchase that can be described in terms of value for money. If these owners like their cars, that's good enough. And by all accounts, the CS is a blindingly quick car at 10/10ths in all weather conditions.
I think its interesting the 'company' that the Cosworth has to keep in comparison - for all that people have slated it, you still have to go a long way, and spend more money to get something that could compete, yet alone beat it all round.
17 July 2012, 10:04 AM
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When I say 'driveability' I am referring to its behaviour in traffic, clutch comfort, responsiveness and urge from 1500-3000rpm. If you have driven a GTR / AMG / etc, you will understand the difference I am referring to.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
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17 July 2012, 10:32 AM
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When I say 'driveability' I am referring to its behaviour in traffic, clutch comfort, responsiveness and urge from 1500-3000rpm. If you have driven a GTR / AMG / etc, you will understand the difference I am referring to.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
I can always jump into the Spec B if I need to give my left leg a rest - a lazy H6 3.0 auto, but that does have some grunt too!....
17 July 2012, 10:58 AM
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Also, notice you are a plumber (or a plumber van in the back ground of the picture). Have a look at my compnay www.gassafetyshop.co.uk and give me a call if you need anything, Will sort a fellow CS owner with a discount as there are only 75 of us
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OK, understand what you mean, and yes, all good points well made. Clutch is hard and under 3.3K rpm you dont get the get up and go, thats for sure. Probably just as well, or i'd probably have rear ended half of Oxfordshire by now!!.
I can always jump into the Spec B if I need to give my left leg a rest - a lazy H6 3.0 auto, but that does have some grunt too!....
I can always jump into the Spec B if I need to give my left leg a rest - a lazy H6 3.0 auto, but that does have some grunt too!....
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I pick my silver one up on Friday......can't wait! Did you guys have to run it in? I have been told it is a 1000 miles then a oil change with service intervals every 6k.
Also, notice you are a plumber (or a plumber van in the back ground of the picture). Have a look at my compnay www.gassafetyshop.co.uk and give me a call if you need anything, Will sort a fellow CS owner with a discount as there are only 75 of us
Also, notice you are a plumber (or a plumber van in the back ground of the picture). Have a look at my compnay www.gassafetyshop.co.uk and give me a call if you need anything, Will sort a fellow CS owner with a discount as there are only 75 of us
Yes, 1000 under 3K rpm, then oil change and service every 6K - where are you getting yours from?
17 July 2012, 01:45 PM
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Not to worried about the 6k, I have had two WR1's which is every 5k. How long have you had your then? Can you achieve the MPG they release in the press? I am picking the car up from Swindon.
17 July 2012, 01:51 PM
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Blimey.....under 3k.....this is going to more difficult than I first thought.
Not to worried about the 6k, I have had two WR1's which is every 5k. How long have you had your then? Can you achieve the MPG they release in the press? I am picking the car up from Swindon.
Not to worried about the 6k, I have had two WR1's which is every 5k. How long have you had your then? Can you achieve the MPG they release in the press? I am picking the car up from Swindon.
MPG - humm - I average about 18-19 - I have had it up to about 23 I seem to recall - depends how heavy your foot is, and apparently I drive it like ive stolen it according to the dealership (I deny this of course).
Got mine Jan 1st - Silver like yours - I love it. Superb car. There will be 3 of us on here which will be a novelty.
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certainly keep the revs low for the first 500 miles - I was very diligent, and luckily had some long motorway trips during the first month - actually think it did 1000 miles in about 10 days.....its worth it for the long term relaibility of the car to be gentle to start with.
MPG - humm - I average about 18-19 - I have had it up to about 23 I seem to recall - depends how heavy your foot is, and apparently I drive it like ive stolen it according to the dealership (I deny this of course).
Got mine Jan 1st - Silver like yours - I love it. Superb car. There will be 3 of us on here which will be a novelty.
MPG - humm - I average about 18-19 - I have had it up to about 23 I seem to recall - depends how heavy your foot is, and apparently I drive it like ive stolen it according to the dealership (I deny this of course).
Got mine Jan 1st - Silver like yours - I love it. Superb car. There will be 3 of us on here which will be a novelty.
So, so looking forward to it as I have never had a new car before, so getting into such a limited version is even more exciting. And I will be very focused on the Rev's..........people will think I have just picked up my pension!
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I glad I have contact with you, after telling the wife it wont be much different to the Wr1 which I was getting around 20-22, I then got the "green light" to do the deal.....I have had reports of single figures which scared the crap out of me. I'm sure if you drive it like a Rally Star that would be the case, but this is my daily runner, so you dont manage to average 40 on my Commute.
So, so looking forward to it as I have never had a new car before, so getting into such a limited version is even more exciting. And I will be very focused on the Rev's..........people will think I have just picked up my pension!
So, so looking forward to it as I have never had a new car before, so getting into such a limited version is even more exciting. And I will be very focused on the Rev's..........people will think I have just picked up my pension!
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I know what you mean - that first 1000 miles were torture in a way - could not rise to anything, but then, I would say that I probably drive this slower than most other cars I have owned - knowing I have that performance means mostly I dont feel the need!!!! Enjoy it - i'm sure you will - what number is yours?
I have done my homework and after seeing it beat the likes of Atoms, GTR'setc at the Power Pageant 2011 on the hill climb, only to be beat by the LamboLP540 (and even beat that in the wet). I was originally going to get an older GTR, but when I saw the CS400 in the flesh, with 3 year warrenty, no MOT for 3 years and being the first owner, it sold me. I think people forget that itmight be as quick as some cars on a track, but around the road we all drive ona daily basis.....it has been proven that this machine is immense! Hopefully you will beright, because you know can......you don’t need to bother. Might save a few points as well!!
Will confirm the number once I pick it up and after it has been run in and had the service I will offer my opinion of the car for anyoneelse wanting to take the plunge.
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Well I started looking at the back end of last month looking at various website (pistonheads, Autotrader, ebay etc….), and at that point there was two used ones and 6 brand new ones. Now I was told a similar story from two dealers,something along the lines of someone in Saudi Arabia ordered six in silver, but got so fed up with the wait, they cancelled. Because Subaru had already announced they had been sold, they couldn’t then put them back on the market. So they covertly gave them to various dealers pre-registered to try and get rid of...Since I have bought mine 3 of the other new cars have now been sold and another used one has just come on the market. So 2 new and 3 used…….all of which have increased the prices since the 4 new ones (including mine) have been sold. The quicker the other two are snapped up the better for all the CS400 owners out there!
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I pick my silver one up on Friday......can't wait! Did you guys have to run it in? I have been told it is a 1000 miles then a oil change with service intervals every 6k.
Also, notice you are a plumber (or a plumber van in the back ground of the picture). Have a look at my compnay www.gassafetyshop.co.uk and give me a call if you need anything, Will sort a fellow CS owner with a discount as there are only 75 of us
Also, notice you are a plumber (or a plumber van in the back ground of the picture). Have a look at my compnay www.gassafetyshop.co.uk and give me a call if you need anything, Will sort a fellow CS owner with a discount as there are only 75 of us
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When I say 'driveability' I am referring to its behaviour in traffic, clutch comfort, responsiveness and urge from 1500-3000rpm. If you have driven a GTR / AMG / etc, you will understand the difference I am referring to.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
While a TD04 on a 2-litre Sube will have a delivery like a V8 around town, it won't have the top end. By the same token, the CS flies above 4k rpm but hasn't got the off-idle smoothness or urge of a large capacity V8. This isn't a value judgement, just a characteristic of different engine configurations.
I think you are arguing the wrong points.
I actually like the CS and drive a similar package daily myself. But I am under no illusion that the part throttle 6/10th experience sub 3.5k rpm is a shadow of the thrust available even in an normally aspirated VAG 3.2 petrol, let alone an AMG / BMW / GM V8 or Nissan blown 3.8-litrer V6.
The CS hasn't got a large engine nor a tiny turbo - so it aint going to deliver around town like other 50k marques. So what? You didn't buy a V8 engined car, so you wouldn't expect it to behave like one.
It does what you want, you have learnt how to get the best from it in daily driving situations, and it is one of the fastest, most practical OEM point to point cars on the road. On that basis your purchase is wholly justifiable and eminently wise! Job done.
Yep V8s are great as well,thats why I have one as well,its more powerful than the cossie,but it wouldnt keep pace with it thats for sure
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on the face of it, there seems to be 3 Cosworth owners on Scoobynet - (well 2 and 1 soon to be) - pretty small percentage of the 75 made - come on the rest of you, show yourselves!!
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Maybe you need to start a CS400 Owners page?? 
Dont ask me......It took me nearly two years to work out how to reply to a thread
Dont ask me......It took me nearly two years to work out how to reply to a thread
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Ah, it's down as SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI TYPE CS. I was putting Subaru cs400 and Subaru cosworth.
so there saying in 1010 there were 30 on the road but now there are 60 on the road with 6 sorned.
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/combined/subaru_impreza_cs
so there saying in 1010 there were 30 on the road but now there are 60 on the road with 6 sorned.
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/combined/subaru_impreza_cs