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Old 29 August 2013, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jayallen
Kwik, is this a V4?
Yes mate why's that?
Old 29 August 2013, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by daiski
baby blue hey , you feeling brudie ?
No mate, 3 kids are more than enough. The calipers aren't for me .
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Yes mate why's that?
The photos of your cams backs up my findings that STI V4 cams had one line through the center of the cam and not two lines like the V3 cams, the general consensus is they both had two lines.
I've had 3 sets of these heads pass through my hands, the last set i had advertised for sale on here and some guy tried to tell me they were not what I said they are even tho I sent him pics of the under bucket shims.
Whilst doing some research, I came across an old thread on here where by the topic was being discussed. Some guy saw some STI heads advertised for sale and was asking advice but people were telling him they were not STI V3/4 cams because they didn't have the two lines.
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I've just carried out a search, we have already had this discussion.....

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...n-3-heads.html

Here is the old thread from 2008

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ay-a-game.html
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Originally Posted by jayallen

The photos of your cams backs up my findings that STI V4 cams had one line through the center of the cam and not two lines like the V3 cams, the general consensus is they both had two lines.
I've had 3 sets of these heads pass through my hands, the last set i had advertised for sale on here and some guy tried to tell me they were not what I said they are even tho I sent him pics of the under bucket shims.
Whilst doing some research, I came across an old thread on here where by the topic was being discussed. Some guy saw some STI heads advertised for sale and was asking advice but people were telling him they were not STI V3/4 cams because they didn't have the two lines.
This is part of the reason I measured up the lobe to show the profile, just in case anyone has a v3 cam to compare. I asked a while back if anyone knew of any profile differences and didn't get many responses.
Did you ever measure the v3's?
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The only V3 heads/cams I had were bolted to my RA, I never had it apart. All the other heads/cams I've had are the same ones as in your photos..........so.........The scoobynet info regarding V3/V4 cams having 2 lines is just a myth.
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Looks to be chap, They will be in WMS's hands next week anyway so I'm sure he could tell us. The engine is coming together now quickly .
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Heads back, big thank you to Southern rebore just up the road from me. I took them in Friday evening, ready today

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Looks good I am gonna have to source some heads and what not now!

Acoming together now, when will it all be built up?
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Looks good I am gonna have to source some heads and what not now!

Acoming together now, when will it all be built up?
ASAP I'm hoping, Andy's on the case this week. I'm sick of cycling to work, and it's dark now when I leave in the morning.

I'm only doing these lightly, with the fine paste. I'm only putting a little onto the valve, then listening I can hear a change in pitch. Am I doing this enough?






Last picture is rubbish I know, but the camera would not focus on the edge.

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Originally Posted by daiski
wow shinney
I know, loving it!
Some nice supertech valve stem seals to go on tomorrow. Anyone know which is which, i've got a feeling the blue is for the exhaust valves?.

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Confession time - I'm really struggling with the mental abuse this is giving me .

Nobody explained that this would become a constant thing in the front of your mind, that it's something you come to obsess about. And right now my mind is changing every five minutes as I need to get the car back on road much much sooner than I had planned.

The Mrs has been given a placement at a local beauty salon to gain experience in all the things she's been training for over the last couple of years fake tans/nails and ****. Also she starts college next Tuesday on a £1200 hairdressing course, and the Lady who owns the beauty salon is the assessor on the hair dressing course so she'll be working right alongside a mentor basically. Its too good a chance for her to turn down. It also means I've had to turn down the chance i've been given to take promotion and a £10k pay rise at another company, which also comes with a company car . I've fallen out with my superiors at work, as they seem to think i should work 6 days a week every week, and this is causing me to fall out with my family as they feel I'm never about to go visit them.

I'm throwing in the towel on going 400/400 relatively soon, and instead looking at smaller turbo's and going back to 4pots/2pots as i won't be running the full power target for quite some time. The car will have the 2.1 base, but restricted for quite some time by all the bolt on parts such as injectors/exhaust manifold etc. I'm even looking at TD04 turbo's to have as the car won't be using boost for 1000m .

The current headache is which ECU. ESL seemed to be the way to go as a stop gap but in reality by the time its paid for and mapped its not much cheaper than buying a second hand Alcatec/Simtek and mapping that. The 740cc injectors are going up for sale as all I need right now are yellows.
I need to quickly source....
Injectors
Turbo
Wheels/Tyres (as the old 16's are on the limit)
4 pot fronts
Rear 2 pot discs
Oil pump
Sump
Timing belt kit
Head gaskets
Gaskets for cam covers/throttle body etc.

I need to sort a rounded grub screw on one of the heads which is preventing me from cleaning out all the oil channels before I can then build up the heads. Then I'll need to bolt up the heads once squish is measured up and Head gaskets ordered, before then working out the clearances on the shims/cams.

I can see why people give up their projects. Its such a head ****, such a dent in your confidence and can control your moods and I'm constantly day dreaming and thinking of other things. I should be planning my wedding next May, or thinking of Christmas and my Son/Daughters birthdays. I'm in above my head, I know that, I'm on such a steep learning process and embarrassing myself on an almost daily basis. I get PM's from people saying they are inspired by my project, HOW??? - Inspired to **** everything up??? lol.

Sorry to go on, but I had to let it all out. I think anyone taking on a project needs to understand If you don't have the budget sitting there waiting and a clear and precise route (not that it will be stuck to) then be prepared to not only give up your time and money but also your brain.
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Unfortunately this is the way with projects, it is never just as simple as bolt everything together and away you go! Anything you have budgeted is out the window on the first day, and it continues from there. With new products and porject creep etc!

I know that feeling of dispair and have been there myself with my starlet, sometimes it is ultimately worth just biting the bullet and shelling out for some assistance.

It is a shame you have to wind back the spec a little from the original plans etc, but on the same token it gets the vehicle roadworthy and gives you time to take stock and evaluate what you need. And once you drive it decide if that is still the direction you want to continue with or if it needs "tweaking"

Personally I see the point in going with smaller turbos etc. The ecu is an important part of the puzzle and not one you want to spend out twice on. So I would recommend keeping the ecu to the best you can afford even though the rest of the spec is been downgraded temporarily.

Maybe even just get the simtek for a minute and do the alkatek upgrade if you need to in the future to save further on costs.

I think with projects once it is on the road it gives you a better idea of what or what is not needed and you can quite often narrow things down from there.

It happens to all of us mate, even the budget I had for my new manifold was twice as expensive as I originally planned etc. But the results were worth it in the end, the proof is always in the pudding and even though it seems like a long way off with the help of friends and family it will come together quickly if you keep chipping away at the mountain of stuff to do, and slowly you will reach the top

Chin up!
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TBH mate none of my friends are really that into cars, or my family. I come from a big football family in the local area, anyone who knows us talks to us all about football not cars lol. Nobody I know is really handy with the spanners so it is literally me in the garden.
The good thing is the amount my 7 year old knows about the internal combustion engine is brilliant. My mrs caught him playing in his room telling some imaginary friend how "the pistons come up and almost touch the head".

I've got 2 simtek/alcatek's at the moment that I'm looking at and mapping through JGM plus the S/H price of the Simtek is only very slightly more expensive than an ESL board so it seems the writing is on the wall there. That's one big tick that I need.

Thanks for the support. It's hard reading this site sometimes with people talking about how much they own and earn and persevering when really I shouldn't be. I've had a few shaky moments, looking at the car in the garden without an engine and thinking I could sell it and make a quick grand. Mad when you consider that's what her wedding dress cost. (Type R shell or white dress worn for one day ).

Just to give you an idea of how busy my brain is I have 54 PM's in my inbox for September only.

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dude ,, it's sad to read this i thought things were onwards and upwards ..
i know what you mean about being on your own in the garden lol , luckily i have a garage.
maybe you inspire people because your a normal fella , not loaded full of mummy and daddys money so most of us can relate to the fact it takes 3 months of saving to buy one thing for the project ,

i hope you dont fall of the rails cos youve been there for me since i joined scoobynet

also i cant find counting pennys on google maps lol where about are you ? anywhere near north wales flint ?
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I know the feeling of not been able to just buy what you want. Like I had a very strict budget for my manifold upgrade etc and it has cost me twice as much if not more than that and now I am struggling. And it isn't even running rightn I've got to get it looked at again as it is just "wrong".

I don't know where you are based but I work all over the country so if you ever need a hand and I'm heading up your way I'll happily stop in and lend some assistance. I'm lucky that I have a few mechanically minded friends who can help me out when I get in over my head.

Although sometimes you learn more and are more satisfied with the job knowing you have done it on your own!

Just gotta hang in there and do little bits as and when you can
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Cheers for the support chaps. To put this in to context I need an ecu bought and the car mapped in the next 3 weeks. An ESL bought and mapped is £600 odd. I've been offered a Simtek for £400, mapping that is £350 odd, but a new Alcatek is £950 fitted and mapped.
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Well it depends on what you want from it. I'd save for the alkatek, but if funds only allow for an esl then that is your answer!

Remember the car is not the end of the world, and sometimes other things are more important. My car hasn't moved hardly this year due to working so hard to earn the money for manifolds etc and not wanting to compromise the spec for it. And now it is done it is the wrong time of year to do much with it anyway so I might just do the last race day in october with a trailer and then garage it again. That's life unfortunately!
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Sorry to hear its getting on top of you pal.


I approached it a different way with my last project car by buying a whole other engine and building that up whilst still running the car daily, and when the engine was ready and I had all the brake & suspension upgrades ready, I took a week off work to build it and work out the bugs, and even then I blew the budget, on the plus side, the conversion was done in 2 days and the rest of the week was driving bliss!!

I hope you manage to get it sorted matey, I'm sure you'll find time/funds/motivation soon enough.
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Sorry to hear you're stressing about your project bud ,I know how stressful they can be .
You've got a great base for power with your engine components (and it looks like you've got the expensive bits already ) id just stick to the planned engine build get it up and running .then injectors, turbos , drivetrain ect as funds allow .(but I would add new block bolts and dowerty washers to your shopping list )
As for ecus I'm sure you'd get a esl fitted and mapped for £550 ,mabey less for cash
I haven't got many spares left I'm afraid but I have got a tdo4 you can have for a tenner + post
Your so close now alex and it will all be worth it in a month or so when you turn that key
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Well it depends on what you want from it. I'd save for the alkatek, but if funds only allow for an esl then that is your answer!

Remember the car is not the end of the world, and sometimes other things are more important. My car hasn't moved hardly this year due to working so hard to earn the money for manifolds etc and not wanting to compromise the spec for it. And now it is done it is the wrong time of year to do much with it anyway so I might just do the last race day in october with a trailer and then garage it again. That's life unfortunately!
I know it's only a car but I'm really feeling the pressure now. I feel like I need to make a million decisions and each one needs to be correct or all else will topple over.

Originally Posted by Frenchwood
Sorry to hear its getting on top of you pal.


I approached it a different way with my last project car by buying a whole other engine and building that up whilst still running the car daily, and when the engine was ready and I had all the brake & suspension upgrades ready, I took a week off work to build it and work out the bugs, and even then I blew the budget, on the plus side, the conversion was done in 2 days and the rest of the week was driving bliss!!

I hope you manage to get it sorted matey, I'm sure you'll find time/funds/motivation soon enough.
Thanks bud. It was pretty much my intention to do the same, I took the original block apart almost 2 years ago now and I thought to give myself a kick up the **** I'd pull the car off road and sell bits to make the money I needed to get the bottom end done.

Originally Posted by savage bulldogs
Sorry to hear you're stressing about your project bud ,I know how stressful they can be .
You've got a great base for power with your engine components (and it looks like you've got the expensive bits already ) id just stick to the planned engine build get it up and running .then injectors, turbos , drivetrain ect as funds allow .(but I would add new block bolts and dowerty washers to your shopping list )
As for ecus I'm sure you'd get a esl fitted and mapped for £550 ,mabey less for cash
I haven't got many spares left I'm afraid but I have got a tdo4 you can have for a tenner + post
Your so close now alex and it will all be worth it in a month or so when you turn that key
Thanks a lot, I've PM'd you regarding the TD04 that's a fantastic offer thank you very much. I know its close, I think that's what is scaring me so much lol. It's the biggest hurdle getting that engine built, the rest are easy to come by.
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Just dont rush it. drop me a pm if you want to chat about it
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Sorry to hear you're troubles
Projects from a small to big scale will take its toll on anyone especially a big project and will constantly be on you're mind as to what's next job and how you will tackle it.
My project has been a pita, all the relocating and custom work etc, at times I get sick but never thought about giving up or breaking etc, I simply leave it for a week and the determination soon builds up again lol!

Stick to It bud, take a step back and go for priority number 1
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Al, if you were closer I'd gladly help.

What you need to do is make a decision and stick to it, easier said than done, I know.

Originally Posted by Kwik
Injectors
Turbo
Wheels/Tyres (as the old 16's are on the limit)
4 pot fronts
Rear 2 pot discs
Oil pump
Sump
Timing belt kit
Head gaskets
Gaskets for cam covers/throttle body etc.
Injectors - 440cc's are about £70 quid a set

Turbo - Dont bother with a TD04, try and get a TD05. Andy F does a converted compressor housing for £75 ish

4 pot fronts, 2 pot rears will be plenty for the daily commute etc, stick some Pagid pads in from Euro Car Parts, get the discs there, or from Alyn - see below - and they work fine for what you'll be using it for. For the actual calipers look on here Ebay etc. I'll have a hunt around friends to see if I can find you set of usable ones for not a lot of money.

Wheels/Tyres You should be able to get a set of 17" Bug WRX alloys with decent tyres for about £200 if not less, or get a matched set of 16" tyres for about the same price.

Why do you need a sump?

Oil pump, timing belt kit, etc, ring this number: 0191 410 3770 and speak to Alyn.

Throttle body gasket, I got one for mine for a couple of quid on Ebay.

Are you building the short motor? If so have you got the crank seals etc? Have you got inlet manifold gaskets?

I know it's hard to not, well daydream about things, but, you need to get the car up and running, then sort the other stuff out.

2.1 and a TD05 will be a quick enough car, until you get used to it.
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Great advice there Micky

Take a breath a second there Kwik and draw a fixed plan up not to complex and you will get there, sometimes you can get bogged down in complexity.

I personally would prefer less bhp and have more a drivers car that's my personal direction.
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
Al, if you were closer I'd gladly help.

What you need to do is make a decision and stick to it, easier said than done, I know.



Injectors - 440cc's are about £70 quid a set

Turbo - Dont bother with a TD04, try and get a TD05. Andy F does a converted compressor housing for £75 ish

4 pot fronts, 2 pot rears will be plenty for the daily commute etc, stick some Pagid pads in from Euro Car Parts, get the discs there, or from Alyn - see below - and they work fine for what you'll be using it for. For the actual calipers look on here Ebay etc. I'll have a hunt around friends to see if I can find you set of usable ones for not a lot of money.

Wheels/Tyres You should be able to get a set of 17" Bug WRX alloys with decent tyres for about £200 if not less, or get a matched set of 16" tyres for about the same price.

Why do you need a sump?

Oil pump, timing belt kit, etc, ring this number: 0191 410 3770 and speak to Alyn.

Throttle body gasket, I got one for mine for a couple of quid on Ebay.

Are you building the short motor? If so have you got the crank seals etc? Have you got inlet manifold gaskets?

I know it's hard to not, well daydream about things, but, you need to get the car up and running, then sort the other stuff out.

2.1 and a TD05 will be a quick enough car, until you get used to it.
Thanks a lot Micky its really appreicated. There's a story to each and every part that's needed, and each and every part gets that little bit more complicated. For example, TD05 - average price on Ebay right now is about £100, and as you say an additional £75. That's £175, I may as well buy another VF24 for £200, but then I was offered a VF30 for £250 delivered but then £250 for a second hand turbo I may as well go the whole hog and get a £500 Kinagawa 20g. This is what its like for everything.

I gave the block to Andy@WMS some time ago and told him I'm in no rush, now I've had to hurry the poor chap.

I have sourced some 17's, I should get them Friday/Saturday.




Originally Posted by Silver Scooby Sport
Great advice there Micky

Take a breath a second there Kwik and draw a fixed plan up not to complex and you will get there, sometimes you can get bogged down in complexity.

I personally would prefer less bhp and have more a drivers car that's my personal direction.
I wish I could take a breather bud. I'm off this week. Aerocatches, respray bumper/skirts/splitter, heads need to be cleaned and rebuilt, collect 17" wheels on Friday. 2 pot rears should be here in the next few days, possibly found some 4 pots/discs/pads. Bumper can go back on but think it will be a bitch as i've just cut it for the front mount. The bottom end should be built by the end of the week, so will look to add the clutch (madhammer) and try to see if the old WRX flywheel is salvageable. Need to source 2x manifold gaskets as i've got 10mm spacers, sort out the cross over pipe, manifold on, source injectors.....

Oh and a quick question while I'm here, is mine a phase 1.5 or 2? Need to know for the yellows .
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I was more in mind of taking a break from thinking opposed working in the car thinking can be painful
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Oh and a quick question while I'm here, is mine a phase 1.5 or 2? Need to know for the yellows .
How are the holes for mounting the inlet manifold, in line or staggered?

Staggered is Ph2, inline is Ph1/1.5.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200906826442
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Originally Posted by Silver Scooby Sport
I was more in mind of taking a break from thinking opposed working in the car thinking can be painful
Lol, you of all people should know its impossible to switch off Si. I was hoping by May next year the engine would be completely sorted and running the intended power so I could relax for the wedding. In this frame of mind the registrar will probably ask me if I do and I'd be looking out to sea in a daze...


Originally Posted by mickywrx
How are the holes for mounting the inlet manifold, in line or staggered?

Staggered is Ph2, inline is Ph1/1.5.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200906826442
They're inline Micky, thanks for the link. I'm considering selling on the spacers. I'll probably go parallel at some point, and I don't like the colour i've sprayed the manifold, and if I change that will mean 4x manifold gaskets lol.


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