wrx 4 pot vs sti brembo
Yep, I chose the K's over the Brems. for these reasons:-
1) Brand new! i.e. a 'known quantity', in that respect!
2) Seperate bell/rotor (to alleviate fade/warping)
Price diff. - very little. Esp. when you factor in that you don't know if you'd be inheriting a warped disc/s and/or siezed caliper/s, if getting 2nd hand Brembos (let alone a decent set of pads with meat on). If any one of those items needs addressing, then the comparable 'starting off', like-for-like budget will be immediately blown out of the water!
1) Brand new! i.e. a 'known quantity', in that respect!
2) Seperate bell/rotor (to alleviate fade/warping)
Price diff. - very little. Esp. when you factor in that you don't know if you'd be inheriting a warped disc/s and/or siezed caliper/s, if getting 2nd hand Brembos (let alone a decent set of pads with meat on). If any one of those items needs addressing, then the comparable 'starting off', like-for-like budget will be immediately blown out of the water!
EXACTLY mate.That was the point I was trying to make before I got crapped on by NISFAN, who I'm assuming is...the CEO of Brembo?
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Well to start with, that should be you're, not >your<.
Secondly, if you had much experience with newage cars at all, you'd be aware that it's common knowledge that the STI wheels are different to the WRX ones, and that the majority of aftermarket 17" wheels won't fit over Brembos - that's why most people go to 18's.
If you'd bothered to take your head out of your **** you could have done a simple forum search and found this out yourself rather than making bull**** claims you can't back up and then having a go at me for exposing that.
I know a few people who run various setups, including AP's, K-Sports, Brembos and WRX 4 pots (like me).
I made what I believe was an informed choice based on their feedback as well as articles online, and recommendations from a tuner I use (who runs a race team), so I had a balanced view.
My mates with Brembos and one piece discs experienced the same fade I do on my WRX with 4 pots, but just not quite as bad.
Mates with K-Sports and AP's had far less, if no fade at all, and I attribute much of this to the two piece discs they run (although one of my mates with AP's did once manage to set fire to them
).
Yes, I'm aware that I could buy Brembos, and have them reconditioned, and run PF discs with them, but then you're talking stupidly expensive, and my budget isn't up to that.
In regards to seized calipers, to quote Bren @ Apex "We have NEVER had one reported caliper failure, no sticking pistons, no leaking seals, nothing" - I haven't seen anyone jump on that thread and start tearing into him which would be my expectation if they had big problems like you're insinuating.
Regarding price - they're made in Taiwan, where it's cheaper to manufacture; I don't see Ian Godney or Bob in any of these threads saying they're crap quality, which I would expect them to if that was their opinion.
The point regarding sponsorship is a fair one (although I don't appreciate the unnecessarily aggressive way you chose to phrase it), but Dynamix's car is the BC Racing Time Attack car, so with them behind him, arguably he could probably have run the car on Brembos if he'd chosen to.
Just out of interest, can I ask - do you think Brembos are better than AP Racing components as well?
Few bits of reading:
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...-k-sports.html - Dynamix states "K-Sports are 'way better' than Brembos"
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...-any-good.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...bo-fronts.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...r-k-sport.html
Secondly, if you had much experience with newage cars at all, you'd be aware that it's common knowledge that the STI wheels are different to the WRX ones, and that the majority of aftermarket 17" wheels won't fit over Brembos - that's why most people go to 18's.
If you'd bothered to take your head out of your **** you could have done a simple forum search and found this out yourself rather than making bull**** claims you can't back up and then having a go at me for exposing that.
I know a few people who run various setups, including AP's, K-Sports, Brembos and WRX 4 pots (like me).
I made what I believe was an informed choice based on their feedback as well as articles online, and recommendations from a tuner I use (who runs a race team), so I had a balanced view.
My mates with Brembos and one piece discs experienced the same fade I do on my WRX with 4 pots, but just not quite as bad.
Mates with K-Sports and AP's had far less, if no fade at all, and I attribute much of this to the two piece discs they run (although one of my mates with AP's did once manage to set fire to them
).Yes, I'm aware that I could buy Brembos, and have them reconditioned, and run PF discs with them, but then you're talking stupidly expensive, and my budget isn't up to that.
In regards to seized calipers, to quote Bren @ Apex "We have NEVER had one reported caliper failure, no sticking pistons, no leaking seals, nothing" - I haven't seen anyone jump on that thread and start tearing into him which would be my expectation if they had big problems like you're insinuating.
Regarding price - they're made in Taiwan, where it's cheaper to manufacture; I don't see Ian Godney or Bob in any of these threads saying they're crap quality, which I would expect them to if that was their opinion.
The point regarding sponsorship is a fair one (although I don't appreciate the unnecessarily aggressive way you chose to phrase it), but Dynamix's car is the BC Racing Time Attack car, so with them behind him, arguably he could probably have run the car on Brembos if he'd chosen to.
Just out of interest, can I ask - do you think Brembos are better than AP Racing components as well?
Few bits of reading:
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...-k-sports.html - Dynamix states "K-Sports are 'way better' than Brembos"
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...-any-good.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...bo-fronts.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...r-k-sport.html
You are 'hung up' about 17" not fitting. As has been wisely pointed out by kj200sx, it is an offset (+ inner shape) issue, NOT a rim size issue. Why don't you search the forums? You will find out that even owners wanting to fit 18" rims are asking whether they will fit or not. Point is even 18" rims won't fit if the offset is not right.
Glad you made an informed decision, each to their own.
For your info, the Sti Brembo's are fitted as standard to all the Nissan Skyline GTR's (R32/R33/R34). The R34 weighs a fair bit more than a WRX, and many R34 owners have done laps at the ring, or any other track. Why not search on google to read the discussions. Many will tell you that some 5.1 fluid, braided lines, brake pedal stopper, and most importantly good pads is all that is needed for all but the serious racer.
So perhaps your average WRX/STi owner wouldn't need to upgrade brakes if set up properly. I certainly didn't on my NEW AGE STi, and that was driven very hard. So well done to the Brembos.
On my race car I have AP racing (6 pots up front 4 pots on the rear) and 2 piece rotors, so yes like them too. I wouldn't have them on a regularly used street car though, no point, and don't have the double seals that the Brembo road calipers have, so won't last as long between services.
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Thanks for the quote...
I started with Brembos and Performance Friction discs and pads, the improvement on track was superb, I never managed to fade them, even trying to keep up with the classic Imprezas
When Bigarf broke his 2.5 STI I bought the AP's and by crikey they are a big jump up from the Brembo + PF set-up, the initial bite at speed is astonishing, I haven't tried beating a radar gun ( yet ! ), but reckon you could lose 20 mph per second...
dunx
P.S. Ask Duncan what discs and pads he's using
I started with Brembos and Performance Friction discs and pads, the improvement on track was superb, I never managed to fade them, even trying to keep up with the classic Imprezas
When Bigarf broke his 2.5 STI I bought the AP's and by crikey they are a big jump up from the Brembo + PF set-up, the initial bite at speed is astonishing, I haven't tried beating a radar gun ( yet ! ), but reckon you could lose 20 mph per second...
dunx
P.S. Ask Duncan what discs and pads he's using
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AP rotors on the ksports Dunx but the ksport rotor design has now changed and is on a par and I would happily use the standard rotors in the same way that Paul Doyle is very happy to. Its just they were put on there two years ago along with the PF pads that I swear by
Yeah, money no object, I would have got the AP Racing 6-pot/330mm kit. But couldn't 'justify' c. £2000-2,8000 (or whatever they cost)!!! 
AP Racing Kit - SUBARU Impreza inc. WRX Front 6 pot 330 mm disc 8x17 inch wheel, CP5570-1000 _50, Price (INC vat): £2,245.20
AP Racing Kit - SUBARU Impreza inc. WRX Front 6 pot 330 mm disc 8x17 inch wheel, CP5570-1000 _50, Price (INC vat): £2,245.20
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dunx
As I pointed out, most of those wheels are fairly pricey in comparison to the alloys most of us would buy without a lottery win!
Oz Superturismo's aren't exactly budget alloys, and several of the others on that list you'd probably have to get shipped over from the USA or far east - so if you can afford those, you'd also probably buy AP's not Brembos
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