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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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Hi Dave,

I am sure climate change will affect many countries including the Carribbean, with rising sea levels for one but it does get a little tedious that catastrophies like this a immediately blamed on climate change by the Media (not just the DM) and chattering classes who talk about it like they really know about it and like they are talking facts, not bollox.

Anyhow, back on topic, Brown is planning to waste a huge amount of our money on something to make him look like he cares rather than on something(s) that actually matter.

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Martin I know is is easy just to blindly jump on the climate change bandwagon but there is a little more to this.


The Carribbean has 1 major earthquake (7.0 or above) of that size every 40-50 years or so, the region has done for the last 500 years.

It is earthquake prone, OK every 40-50 years but it is regular and has been for a considerable time.

People have short memeories it seems, not knocking the people in the earthquake but it should be remembered that if you live in a region that has earthquakes, sh*t happens.

This is not about climate change or global warming, it is about a consistent geographical problem.
When did I suggest otherwise? AND WHEN DID I MENTION FRIGGIN CLIMATE CHANGE????

This thread has gone really quite weird

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
Interesting. Comparing places prone to hurricanes and earthquakes, and that suffer them regularly to places that don't. Who needs help understanding that difference?
Let's be clear, (hopefully even clear enough for you)

I haven't made any such comparison, and to suggest otherwise is completely obsurd.

I have not once mentioned climate change on this thread either, yet somehow I get some smart **** comments on that too!!!
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by martin 2005
Can't remember us getting hit by 4 hurricanes in a year. Maybe I slept through them
You did write the above though, plus it WAS you that said that WE lived in a climatically stable area?
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
You did write the above though, plus it WAS you that said that WE lived in a climatically stable area?
But those are both facts are they not?

I didn't mention climate change, you did!
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Martin I know is is easy just to blindly jump on the climate change bandwagon but there is a little more to this.


The Carribbean has 1 major earthquake (7.0 or above) of that size every 40-50 years or so, the region has done for the last 500 years.

It is earthquake prone, OK every 40-50 years but it is regular and has been for a considerable time.

People have short memeories it seems, not knocking the people in the earthquake but it should be remembered that if you live in a region that has earthquakes, sh*t happens.

This is not about climate change or global warming, it is about a consistent geographical problem.
I’m trying to decode what you mean by some of this, I do find you logic a little confusing.

You say that a 7.0 earthquake will hit the Caribbean every 40-50 years. So even if the quake struck exactly the same place every time, you be unlucky to be affected more than once in a lifetime, so still a pretty big deal. Of course the Caribbean is a huge area and therefore the chances of living there and getting hit by a major quake are actually fairly remote.

Is this some kind of long hand for say ‘tough s hit’ for living in an earthquake zone, like most of these people have a choice!

The thing I don’t understand, is why you mention this?

What should the people how live there do?
Are you advocating a mass emigration?
Should we evacuate the whole region?

Your comments appear at odds with the facts and/or any kind of logic? And I thought you were a sensible chap
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I’m trying to decode what you mean by some of this, I do find you logic a little confusing.

You say that a 7.0 earthquake will hit the Caribbean every 40-50 years. So even if the quake struck exactly the same place every time, you be unlucky to be affected more than once in a lifetime, so still a pretty big deal. Of course the Caribbean is a huge area and therefore the chances of living there and getting hit by a major quake are actually fairly remote.

Is this some kind of long hand for say ‘tough s hit’ for living in an earthquake zone, like most of these people have a choice!

The thing I don’t understand, is why you mention this?

What should the people how live there do?
Are you advocating a mass emigration?
Should we evacuate the whole region?

Your comments appear at odds with the facts and/or any kind of logic? And I thought you were a sensible chap
I'm not much for reading books that do not have lots of pictures to colour in. However, i read a long and in-depth artical on earthquakes and tsunamis whilst in Barbados some 10 years ago as i knew little about them and found it quite fascinating that the earth's plates move about.

The Caribbean is a large area. The region sits on a complex seismic area made up of numerous faults and plates. Earthquakes hit different parts, however, the histrionics state that every 40-50 years a major earthquake hits (as it has for some 500 years). A lot of earthquakes happen at sea although felt on land one major problem can be the Tsunami that the underwater quakes set off. Haiti along with several other islands sits on the Enriquillo-Plantain Garden Fault and The 7.0 magnitude quake struck along about one-tenth of the 300 or so mile-long fault.

In fairness if you live close to the sea in an area regularly frequented by problems such as these then sensibly your government or local equivalent would be prepared as best they can ensure buildings where as 'earthquake-proof' as possible which is possible, the Japanese and American's have developed materials and designs that cope well even with 7+ quakes. Not only this but having facilities, trained people and equipment and supplies.

Haiti is not the richest country in the world, and it relies on its local fishing to help feed itself, so, not exactly like everybody who fishes for a living can pick up sticks and move. In addition it imports pretty much everything is needs so the ports are an important employer.
Perhaps grants from richer countries would help along with support from some of the richer Caribbean neighbours. Setting up of Tsunami advanced warning and detection of the tectonic plate movement on/under the land.

The earthquake is not a complete surprise and little if nothing seems to have been prepared or thought about, given the history and likelyhood of problems.

I fully support the aid effort and my heart goes out the people affected by this natural disaster, whilst it cannot easily be prevented some early warning, prep and though about making buildings even if only schools, hospitals, etc withstand the forces. would be a real good start in fact should already been done. Not doing much if anything leaves you with a situation like this which is a damn shame.

Oh and stop being so sensitive, the Global warming and chattering classes comments where not aimed at you, having listened to three complete pr@ts (chattering classes) in Costa, discussing the situation and blaming global warming today. However, if the cap fits as they say.

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
You didn't blame climate change I'll agree. But take a look at this ... YouTube - GRITtv: Danny Glover and Marie St. Cyr on Haiti

About 1.56+ in .... WTF!!!?????? Thought Glover was great with Mel Gibson in those cop films .. (what were they??) .. but he should keep his gob shut on things he obviously has trouble comprehending. Like what causes earthquakes!

Dave
Glover hasn't got a scooby, he's deffo on the bandwagon and dumbfecks like Glover, a well known and trusted figure should at least get his facts right. Chuckleheads like Glover only weaken the case for global warming by mixing it up with natural disasters like this.

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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 01:20 PM
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Can't understand why GBW or climate change should even be mentioned in this context!

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