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Old 20 March 2010, 09:44 PM
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MartynJ kindly offered to do a race fuel map with one of the spare switch settings on my Solaris, in case I ever felt the need to go silly. Not sure I can afford the £5 a litre, or whatever it costs
Old 20 March 2010, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Built 2.0 mate with STI 4 heads and cams, turbo is a MD321T
Wont a 321T bit a little bit laggy for tight and twisty events like scoobysprint? Though you would have been better of maxing out an 321H or a 20G with methanol or E85 and gain a fair bit of spool up
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Wont a 321T bit a little bit laggy for tight and twisty events like scoobysprint? Though you would have been better of maxing out an 321H or a 20G with methanol or E85 and gain a fair bit of spool up
I have run a T on a 2.0 before and I don't agree that it's too laggy for a 2.0, in fact a 20g is worse in my experience. Not driven 2.0 with a H but I have run a RCM 400 (very similar to a H) on a 2.0 and spool was only about 200rpm quicker than a T (also on a STI 4 engine, my old silver wagon)

My old blue car ran this T a couple of years back on a 2.0 and made 1 bar by 3300 and 2 bar by 3800, so if the Type R repeats that I will be more than happy. Hoping a good percentage of Meth will get me 450/420+
Old 20 March 2010, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
I have run a T on a 2.0 before and I don't agree that it's too laggy for a 2.0, in fact a 20g is worse in my experience. Not driven 2.0 with a H but I have run a RCM 400 (very similar to a H) on a 2.0 and spool was only about 200rpm quicker than a T (also on a STI 4 engine, my old silver wagon)

My old blue car ran this T a couple of years back on a 2.0 and made 1 bar by 3300 and 2 bar by 3800, so if the Type R repeats that I will be more than happy. Hoping a good percentage of Meth will get me 450/420+
i agree clive, however andy f changed from a t to a 20 g i think for scooby sprint, so he must have a point there, i think a t will be awesome imo for scooby sprint and as a all rounder

i have had a 321s in the past and i thought it was pants, my t04z spooled up sooner, never experienced a t or h thow but heard very good things bout them, i also think you should see a the sharp side of 500 on 20% meth
Old 20 March 2010, 11:33 PM
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Not that I think you will (the T sounds like a choice), but if you change your mind I've got an H in the garage that's gathering dust
Old 20 March 2010, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
i agree clive, however andy f changed from a t to a 20 g i think for scooby sprint, so he must have a point there,
yup, he was on a 2.5 block as well which would was even better suited to a T than the 2.0L
Old 20 March 2010, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by StuS
Not that I think you will (the T sounds like a choice), but if you change your mind I've got an H in the garage that's gathering dust
How much was you after for the H then?
Old 21 March 2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
i agree clive, however andy f changed from a t to a 20 g i think for scooby sprint, so he must have a point there, i think a t will be awesome imo for scooby sprint and as a all rounder

i have had a 321s in the past and i thought it was pants, my t04z spooled up sooner, never experienced a t or h thow but heard very good things bout them, i also think you should see a the sharp side of 500 on 20% meth
The 's' was very laggy mate, seen a few graphs with them. It was one of the original MD's and a good few years old. Mark certainly moved things on with the H,T & V.

As for Andy changing to a 20g, did not get that at all. Not like he wasn't wining with the 't'
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
yes mate this is the right one, mine is having another map done on monday off edmy using sunoco maxnos 119 leaded just for scooby sprint so i will let you know the difference and gains(hoping for 500)
Amazing fuel, saw some good gains over and above 20% meth with that stuff.
Old 21 March 2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MartynJ
Amazing fuel, saw some good gains over and above 20% meth with that stuff.
In the region of Martyn ?
Old 21 March 2010, 10:17 AM
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Approx 7-10% on top of 20% Meth mix (No NF or similar octane booster) and it doesn't lean out the fueling like meth does allowing more headroom on your injector sizes. At 510+ my fuel system maxes out on 20% meth, but at 558bhp on race fuel there was still room to wind in a bit more boost should I have felt the need.
Old 21 March 2010, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
The 's' was very laggy mate, seen a few graphs with them. It was one of the original MD's and a good few years old. Mark certainly moved things on with the H,T & V.

As for Andy changing to a 20g, did not get that at all. Not like he wasn't wining with the 't'

Anyone know what the spool and bhp of the MD321S is?

Also what's the spool/bhp od the MD555 too?
Old 21 March 2010, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MartynJ
Approx 7-10% on top of 20% Meth mix (No NF or similar octane booster) and it doesn't lean out the fueling like meth does allowing more headroom on your injector sizes. At 510+ my fuel system maxes out on 20% meth, but at 558bhp on race fuel there was still room to wind in a bit more boost should I have felt the need.
Thanks Martyn, food for thought. That was on 119 ?

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Originally Posted by joz8968
Anyone know what the spool and bhp of the MD321S is?

Also what's the spool/bhp od the MD555 too?
555's have differing variants, see turbo dynamics website.

The 's' from what I have seen is only for 2.3's and beyond. Still they are not around now, just a few used examples.
Old 21 March 2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Thanks Martyn, food for thought. That was on 119 ?

Yes, same 119 Sunoco Maxnos as mentined above by Andyscoobm.
Old 21 March 2010, 08:53 PM
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Can i ask why you didnt get Pat at Scoobyclinic to do the mapping on car as its there turbo your using?
Old 21 March 2010, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by prestigesec
Can i ask why you didnt get Pat at Scoobyclinic to do the mapping on car as its there turbo your using?
Paul @ Zen built the engine and has always mapped my cars. When we tested the billet Kev from Scoobyclinic invited Paul along to map the car independently, this way no one can question the back to back results. Not that Pat would not be impartial of course, he was there on the day and discussed things with Paul.

You will see on the pics of the car although I am advertising the Billet turbos it still says 'mapped by zenperformance.co.uk'

At the end of the days these guys all get along and are in business to make a living, but as a customer I really appreciate the efforts by both parties. The car is fantastic
Old 21 March 2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Thanks Martyn, food for thought. That was on 119 ?
i will let you know how i get on tommorow clive with maxnos 119 compaired to straight v power, on a 2 litre avcs with fp green 8cm

andy h
Old 21 March 2010, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Anyone know what the spool and bhp of the MD321S is?

Also what's the spool/bhp od the MD555 too?
the car i drove at timeattack oulton last year did 457bhp on 2 litre version5 on v power mapped by edmy, however didnt pass noise regs so changed exhaust and the boost dropped down to 1.1 bar and it was extremly laggy, esspesially on the harepin, i must of lost 1 to 2 seconds per lap just on the harepin, or it did seem that way. dont realy no if it was any better regarding spool with a bit more boost going through it as i only drove it on a sighting lap before they sound test you. my overall opinion of the s is pants based on the above experience.

dont have any experience in the 555 but i would stick with the t or the v. i am sure the v will make 600 on the right race fuel, why would you need anything else
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
i will let you know how i get on tommorow clive with maxnos 119 compaired to straight v power, on a 2 litre avcs with fp green 8cm

andy h
Nice one, you doing a straight back to back then ?
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
the car i drove at timeattack oulton last year did 457bhp on 2 litre version5 on v power mapped by edmy, however didnt pass noise regs so changed exhaust and the boost dropped down to 1.1 bar and it was extremly laggy, esspesially on the harepin, i must of lost 1 to 2 seconds per lap just on the harepin, or it did seem that way. dont realy no if it was any better regarding spool with a bit more boost going through it as i only drove it on a sighting lap before they sound test you. my overall opinion of the s is pants based on the above experience.

dont have any experience in the 555 but i would stick with the t or the v. i am sure the v will make 600 on the right race fuel, why would you need anything else
Did you see Duncan has done 598bhp on the 'v' on pump E85 !
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Nice one, you doing a straight back to back then ?
yes mate, i only need 2 maps probebly very similar if not same boost levels. 1 with v power and 1 with maxnos.
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
598bhp on pump E85 !
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
...i would stick with the t or the v. i am sure the v will make 600 on the right race fuel, why would you need anything else
Oh I agree, etc. Just wanted to see how they compared, purely out of interest.
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
How much was you after for the H then?
It's done about 10k miles, so £750+delivery I think. PM me if you're interested.

Sorry about the thread hijack YC
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
i will let you know how i get on tommorow clive with maxnos 119 compaired to straight v power, on a 2 litre avcs with fp green 8cm

andy h
not quite finished mapping yesterday, kept blowing boost pipe off when edmy started putting a bit of boost through it (my fault using a cheap hose and not putting a lip on the hard pipe ) the results at the moment are a bit gob smacking to say the least, finishing off next week so will let you no the difference in the two fuels on this type of application.

well done edmy with mapping top job mate

andy h
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Originally Posted by andyscoobym3
not quite finished mapping yesterday, kept blowing boost pipe off when edmy started putting a bit of boost through it (my fault using a cheap hose and not putting a lip on the hard pipe ) the results at the moment are a bit gob smacking to say the least, finishing off next week so will let you no the difference in the two fuels on this type of application.

well done edmy with mapping top job mate

andy h
You tease Andy
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
You tease Andy
Any update Andy ?
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Just back from a weeks hols in rainy Devon. So got a couple of jobs done this PM.

Fitted brake stopper



Some new silicone hoses had turned up whilst I was away so cut to size to fit the RCM spun trumpet and big K&N


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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Any update Andy ?
yes mate, its ready now for the 23rd and 24th, we tried race fuel but the turbo would not give enough gains to warrant using it so the map i will be using is the 450hp and 596nm torque @ 1.75 bar peak and holding 1.55 bar, the torque is very good as it does over 590nm for 2000 rpm, engine is a 2 litre avcs, there was not much loss through transmission also, 400 at wheels. so i am made up with the way it goes and the amazing job edmy has done ,just need to get some seat time now, its all down to me now

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