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Old Feb 20, 2009 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SleeperSy
Theses clutches are the mutts - with the hydralic release as well there very light to operate - when you bolt them to the engine you think damm this beautifully engineered work of art is hidden from view

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I often think of that Sy. Beautiful looking pieces of engineering all out of site.
Same with big mod engines. Lift the bonnet, look at it but it doesn't tell the whole picture
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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(The bhp figure used will need to be confirmed on a dyno)

but working it out at 560bhp with the P1 weight at 1295kg it will be developing 432.3 bhp per ton.

Does that seem about right ?? anyone.
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SleeperSy
Theses clutches are the mutts - with the hydralic release as well there very light to operate - when you bolt them to the engine you think damm this beautifully engineered work of art is hidden from view

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Indeed amazing bit of engineering had a feel of the pedal on SY's and it felt so light.... Definitely top stuff.
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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We now have 6 speed
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by STI_Baly
Indeed amazing bit of engineering had a feel of the pedal on SY's and it felt so light.... Definitely top stuff.
Hi Baly, hows things with yours now??

Sy and Olly said it would make a huge difference having the RCM release bearing fitted.

Had email from Olly today and he said it feels great.

New Turbo work has now begun !!
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
(The bhp figure used will need to be confirmed on a dyno)

but working it out at 560bhp with the P1 weight at 1295kg it will be developing 432.3 bhp per ton.

Does that seem about right ?? anyone.
i think you would gain a bit of weight with the 6 speed clive plus other bits added since built add another 2 ton for wax and polish lol
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
(The bhp figure used will need to be confirmed on a dyno)

but working it out at 560bhp with the P1 weight at 1295kg it will be developing 432.3 bhp per ton.

Does that seem about right ?? anyone.
....Is this possible from a 30/37 turbo?

Seems to be going below your original high expected figures of 700 odd??

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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JP4
....Is this possible from a 30/37 turbo?

Seems to be going below your original high expected figures of 700 odd??
i belive it is jag
560 is still very high for a every day drive imo, going any further will affect clives drivability for everyday but who am i lol
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 06:03 PM
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Go on Clive give it big sticks.
Been a busy day today, got my wagon over to my pals for it's new engine to be dropped in then over to the pod this afternoon to try and get to grips with this drag racing lark. Had a great day, finally mastered getting the thing into the 11's consistantly with a best of 11.404, done several mid 11's (11.5, 11.6, 11.7) and terminals over 125, best being 127.

I am now confident the car will do 10's because none of my runs were clean, only once did I get a 1.8 60ft time, others were all around 2. I must master the 1st to 2nd change which I still struggle with and speed up other gear changes. Also need to optimise AVCR for drag also.

All in all though I am very pleased
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JP4
....Is this possible from a 30/37 turbo?

Seems to be going below your original high expected figures of 700 odd??
glad you have edited it otherwise i was going to say get back to the wr1 boys
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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glad you have edited it otherwise i was going to say get back to the wr1 boys
Nothing to hide.....I was only asking a question on the turbo and what it can achieve - afterall I was under the impressions Clive was aiming for 600/700?.... I am only a mere "wr1" which is not in the league of some you chaps power wise.....so need to learn

Mind you, I do hear that there are a couple of naughty high powered wr1 boys out there....looking forward to seeing them on the strip this year.
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JP4
Nothing to hide.....I was only asking a question on the turbo and what it can achieve - afterall I was under the impressions Clive was aiming for 600/700?.... I am only a mere "wr1" which is not in the league of some you chaps power wise.....so need to learn

Mind you, I do hear that there are a couple of naughty high powered wr1 boys out there....looking forward to seeing them on the strip this year.
they will have to be some serious wr1,s to compete against the classics of these specs with ptw being a major factor in the classic coupe
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eureka
they will have to be some serious wr1,s to compete against the classics of these specs with ptw being a major factor in the classic coupe
unfortunately fooking bloody heavyweight newage though
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthy55
unfortunately fooking bloody heavyweight newage though
i will be looking at what can loose of my newage this year to save weight
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by eureka
i will be looking at what can loose of my newage this year to save weight
good luck
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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i will be looking at what can loose of my newage this year to save weight

dieting is a gd start.... then rid of spoiler, a/c, seats, bonnet, doors & windows replaced......
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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At the 30-130 event there are weighing scales - so it will be interesting to see actual weights in road trim with all fluids etc from a collection of classics and newage in real terms and the times they do with the power they have.

Id say that over 130 thou I would guess aero drag will have more effect than weight and I assume the newage is more aerodynamic. (does anybody know the cDs?)


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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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some weights

https://www.scoobynet.com/projects-4...-2009-a-6.html

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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Been a busy day today, got my wagon over to my pals for it's new engine to be dropped in then over to the pod this afternoon to try and get to grips with this drag racing lark. Had a great day, finally mastered getting the thing into the 11's consistantly with a best of 11.404, done several mid 11's (11.5, 11.6, 11.7) and terminals over 125, best being 127.

I am now confident the car will do 10's because none of my runs were clean, only once did I get a 1.8 60ft time, others were all around 2. I must master the 1st to 2nd change which I still struggle with and speed up other gear changes. Also need to optimise AVCR for drag also.

All in all though I am very pleased
Nice one Hammer. All about the start mate, I guess.
Are you supplied reaction times??
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eureka
i think you would gain a bit of weight with the 6 speed clive plus other bits added since built add another 2 ton for wax and polish lol
wax & polish, you dork
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JP4
....Is this possible from a 30/37 turbo?

Seems to be going below your original high expected figures of 700 odd??
Certain issues have become evident, issues I had overlooked within mine & Olly's initial talks way back.

The figures of 600 - 700 I had suggested will become difficult without major changes, but not impossible JP4.

If the current engine develops mid 500's (and that was the initial aim) then so be it.

If a year down the line I want more power and it means starting afresh with RCM and a new car & new engine, then it will happen.
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
Hi Everyone.
Will keep this post updated.
'tis a thing of beauty...
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyCoops
'tis a thing of beauty...
Thank you ScoobyCoops
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
If a year down the line I want more power and it means starting afresh with RCM and a new car & new engine, then it will happen.
First refusal on the car Clive.
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge


We now have 6 speed
is that a Forrester box?

I'll be interested to see what you make of the change as I'll be moving from a P1 box to a Forrester 6 speed at some point this year too
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Originally Posted by SkullFudge
Certain issues have become evident, issues I had overlooked within mine & Olly's initial talks way back.

The figures of 600 - 700 I had suggested will become difficult without major changes, but not impossible JP4.

If the current engine develops mid 500's (and that was the initial aim) then so be it.

If a year down the line I want more power and it means starting afresh with RCM and a new car & new engine, then it will happen.
Clive,

It might be a good idea to wait till November till the next upgrade.

There are rumours that Cosworth are building a 2.5 Closed Deck Block which will be avaliable at the end of this year - coupled with their stroker billet crank will make a 2.6 CBD ultra stong setup - this will move the game on once again, giving high torque even when using mega big turbos/power.

With the availability of the 2.2 CDB drying up, I can see this being the tunning choice (assuming it works) so roll on next year.


Car Tuning never stands still I guess

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Originally Posted by Scooby Hoo?
First refusal on the car Clive.
LOL Hugh, sorry matey that will always be mine Will never sell it.
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Originally Posted by trails
is that a Forrester box?

I'll be interested to see what you make of the change as I'll be moving from a P1 box to a Forrester 6 speed at some point this year too
Not sure what box at mo Trails. Will let you know.
The 6 speed in something I will need to get used to. Speaking with Steve about this (Eureka) as he has made the 5 to 6 speed step.

Will let you know my thoughts Trails.
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Originally Posted by SleeperSy
Clive,

It might be a good idea to wait till November till the next upgrade.

There are rumours that Cosworth are building a 2.5 Closed Deck Block which will be avaliable at the end of this year - coupled with their stroker billet crank will make a 2.6 CBD ultra stong setup - this will move the game on once again, giving high torque even when using mega big turbos/power.

With the availability of the 2.2 CDB drying up, I can see this being the tunning choice (assuming it works) so roll on next year.


Car Tuning never stands still I guess

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mmmmmm. Thanks Sy. As you know, I do still have options with the P1.

I will give it some time, enjoy the car and make a decision later in the year.
I certainly am not saying that the P1 will stay at it's current spec, but if I do decide to leave it as it is then I will speak with RCM.

This is the first time I have dealt with a tuning company and I did not fully understand the sequence of events, but I have learned at lot.

If I do decide to give it another go I will most certainly use RCM again, sit down with Matt & Olly and talk.

The Cosworth CD block sounds like it could be their choice for the base.
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Originally Posted by SleeperSy
Clive,

It might be a good idea to wait till November till the next upgrade.

There are rumours that Cosworth are building a 2.5 Closed Deck Block which will be avaliable at the end of this year - coupled with their stroker billet crank will make a 2.6 CBD ultra stong setup - this will move the game on once again, giving high torque even when using mega big turbos/power.

With the availability of the 2.2 CDB drying up, I can see this being the tunning choice (assuming it works) so roll on next year.


Car Tuning never stands still I guess

Sy
I've also heard rumours of Cosworth developing a closed deck block, but have Cosworth released any information and prices?.
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