Our boys are leaving Iraq!!
03 September 2007, 01:16 PM
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UK troops poised to quit Basra - Times Online
About time. only 5,500 brits in Iraq.. Thought there was more than that!
Good to see Gordon giving the fingers to this disaster which was helped by his 'friend' Tony.
About time. only 5,500 brits in Iraq.. Thought there was more than that!
Good to see Gordon giving the fingers to this disaster which was helped by his 'friend' Tony.
Bring them back here and put them on the streets of the UK.
03 September 2007, 01:34 PM
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i personally think pulling our soldiers out would be a total disaster. We cannot leave something we started, if anything i believe that this will bring more trouble to OUR doorstep which we dont need.
As a member from Northern Ireland it always disgusts me seeing how the British Government will go after tyrants that have nothing to do with us yet they wouldnt put up the same sort of "fight" for its own land ie. Northern Ireland were there are still terrorists walking the street which worst of all are known to the police and government for there crimes.
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As a member from Northern Ireland it always disgusts me seeing how the British Government will go after tyrants that have nothing to do with us yet they wouldnt put up the same sort of "fight" for its own land ie. Northern Ireland were there are still terrorists walking the street which worst of all are known to the police and government for there crimes.
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03 September 2007, 01:54 PM
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but you're a troll nonetheless. if you want to continue libelling our servicemen and women and gloating over what you perceive to be a 'caning', can i politely suggest you hoof it over onto one of the many rabid jihadi forums where your simplistic, teenage outrage will find a more sympathetic ear.
if you're a british citizen, then it WAS done in your name. get used to it monkey chops.
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but you're a troll nonetheless. if you want to continue libelling our servicemen and women and gloating over what you perceive to be a 'caning', can i politely suggest you hoof it over onto one of the many rabid jihadi forums where your simplistic, teenage outrage will find a more sympathetic ear.
if you're a british citizen, then it WAS done in your name. get used to it monkey chops.
but you're a troll nonetheless. if you want to continue libelling our servicemen and women and gloating over what you perceive to be a 'caning', can i politely suggest you hoof it over onto one of the many rabid jihadi forums where your simplistic, teenage outrage will find a more sympathetic ear.
if you're a british citizen, then it WAS done in your name. get used to it monkey chops.
This isn't trolling, this is my genuine feeling on the matter. I'm sick of hearing the phrase 'our boys', 'cos they sure as hell aren't anything to do with me. They have as much support from me as the fanatics killing them and driving them out of Iraq.
Neither is stating the fact that the british army has taken a beating and is in the process of an ignominious withdrawal 'libelling' them. It's a statement of fact and is giving much cheer to muslims and those that are against the US/UK axis of evil.
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It might have been done in my name, they may even have used my tax money to commit said crimes however that doesn't make them 'our boys and girls' as far as I'm concerned any more than it makes the member of parliament who was voted in to power by my local constituency 'my man'- he's a tory idiot who I despise. Much like the contempt I have for people who sign up to do whatever an elite in Westminster tell them to. Whether it's invade someone else's country or be used against the very people who pay their wages.
This isn't trolling, this is my genuine feeling on the matter. I'm sick of hearing the phrase 'our boys', 'cos they sure as hell aren't anything to do with me. They have as much support from me as the fanatics killing them and driving them out of Iraq.
Neither is stating the fact that the british army has taken a beating and is in the process of an ignominious withdrawal 'libelling' them. It's a statement of fact and is giving much cheer to muslims and those that are against the US/UK axis of evil.
This isn't trolling, this is my genuine feeling on the matter. I'm sick of hearing the phrase 'our boys', 'cos they sure as hell aren't anything to do with me. They have as much support from me as the fanatics killing them and driving them out of Iraq.
Neither is stating the fact that the british army has taken a beating and is in the process of an ignominious withdrawal 'libelling' them. It's a statement of fact and is giving much cheer to muslims and those that are against the US/UK axis of evil.
But they (our boy's and girl's) are fellow citizens of the United Kingdom and us 'true brits' (yes there still are a few) support them, and not the fact that they are having to police some retarded third world muslim fecktard **** hole....
03 September 2007, 02:55 PM
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Where we do agree is that they should be removed from their illegal occupation of Iraq.
The difference is that I never supported them being sent there in the first place- unlike many people on here who either
a> seem to have forgotten their opinions at the time
b> are staying silent
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c> have done a humiliating about face just like the defeated armed forces
The comments about 'policing' the place are laughable. The only reason they are having to do that is because of the ****pile that they themselves have made at the behest of their masters.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for them or their families. They should have known better than to join up to be a uniformed state sanctioned murderer.
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It might have been done in my name, they may even have used my tax money to commit said crimes however that doesn't make them 'our boys and girls' as far as I'm concerned any more than it makes the member of parliament who was voted in to power by my local constituency 'my man'- he's a tory idiot who I despise. Much like the contempt I have for people who sign up to do whatever an elite in Westminster tell them to. Whether it's invade someone else's country or be used against the very people who pay their wages.
This isn't trolling, this is my genuine feeling on the matter. I'm sick of hearing the phrase 'our boys', 'cos they sure as hell aren't anything to do with me. They have as much support from me as the fanatics killing them and driving them out of Iraq.
Neither is stating the fact that the british army has taken a beating and is in the process of an ignominious withdrawal 'libelling' them. It's a statement of fact and is giving much cheer to muslims and those that are against the US/UK axis of evil.
This isn't trolling, this is my genuine feeling on the matter. I'm sick of hearing the phrase 'our boys', 'cos they sure as hell aren't anything to do with me. They have as much support from me as the fanatics killing them and driving them out of Iraq.
Neither is stating the fact that the british army has taken a beating and is in the process of an ignominious withdrawal 'libelling' them. It's a statement of fact and is giving much cheer to muslims and those that are against the US/UK axis of evil.
actually i was referring to "gang of uniformed murderers" & you say it again with "uniformed state sanctioned murderer". and you have proof that every member of the british armed services is such, hmmm? no? thought not. that's pretty close to libel. as well as being patently, stupidly and insultingly inaccurate about people who do a job that you would not and could not do.
i don't think the families of our war dead would really want any support you might give, such as it is. on the other hand, they may feel pity for your mean spirit. i doubt you would have the cojones to say such things to their faces. and that just makes you just another cyber-bullsh**ter with anger management issues.
JFK once said that it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open your mouth and prove it. he could well have had you in mind.
jeez.
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actually i was referring to "gang of uniformed murderers" & you say it again with "uniformed state sanctioned murderer". and you have proof that every member of the british armed services is such, hmmm? no? thought not. that's pretty close to libel. as well as being patently, stupidly and insultingly inaccurate about people who do a job that you would not and could not do.
i don't think the families of our war dead would really want any support you might give, such as it is. on the other hand, they may feel pity for your mean spirit. i doubt you would have the cojones to say such things to their faces. and that just makes you just another cyber-bullsh**ter with anger management issues.
JFK once said that it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open your mouth and prove it. he could well have had you in mind.
jeez.
actually i was referring to "gang of uniformed murderers" & you say it again with "uniformed state sanctioned murderer". and you have proof that every member of the british armed services is such, hmmm? no? thought not. that's pretty close to libel. as well as being patently, stupidly and insultingly inaccurate about people who do a job that you would not and could not do.
i don't think the families of our war dead would really want any support you might give, such as it is. on the other hand, they may feel pity for your mean spirit. i doubt you would have the cojones to say such things to their faces. and that just makes you just another cyber-bullsh**ter with anger management issues.
JFK once said that it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open your mouth and prove it. he could well have had you in mind.
jeez.
Thanks for the insults, like the others that have resorted to such tactics you're demonstrating how weak your argument and ability to express it is.
It's a fact that a proportion of the armed forces will have committed murder on a state sanctioned basis. The others have facilitated that. They are all complicit. Therefore it isn't libel, also I believe it isn't possible to libel people without naming them individually.
You are correct it's a job I wouldn't do. If I had less grey matter then perhaps I could do it. Certainly being a uniformed murderer doesn't have much appeal to me.
As for the families of those killed I have no sympathy whatsoever for most of them. For the most part they supported and were proud of what their family members went to do. They can therefore reap the reward of that cruel and stupid viewpoint as surely those who died.
Perhaps the fate of those maimed in Iraq will serve as a warning to others who might seek to join the meat grinder that is the armed forces?
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Thanks for the insults, like the others that have resorted to such tactics you're demonstrating how weak your argument and ability to express it is.
It's a fact that a proportion of the armed forces will have committed murder on a state sanctioned basis. The others have facilitated that. They are all complicit. Therefore it isn't libel, also I believe it isn't possible to libel people without naming them individually.
You are correct it's a job I wouldn't do. If I had less grey matter then perhaps I could do it. Certainly being a uniformed murderer doesn't have much appeal to me.
As for the families of those killed I have no sympathy whatsoever for most of them. For the most part they supported and were proud of what their family members went to do. They can therefore reap the reward of that cruel and stupid viewpoint as surely those who died.
Perhaps the fate of those maimed in Iraq will serve as a warning to others who might seek to join the meat grinder that is the armed forces?
It's a fact that a proportion of the armed forces will have committed murder on a state sanctioned basis. The others have facilitated that. They are all complicit. Therefore it isn't libel, also I believe it isn't possible to libel people without naming them individually.
You are correct it's a job I wouldn't do. If I had less grey matter then perhaps I could do it. Certainly being a uniformed murderer doesn't have much appeal to me.
As for the families of those killed I have no sympathy whatsoever for most of them. For the most part they supported and were proud of what their family members went to do. They can therefore reap the reward of that cruel and stupid viewpoint as surely those who died.
Perhaps the fate of those maimed in Iraq will serve as a warning to others who might seek to join the meat grinder that is the armed forces?
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Sadly I have to censor what I'd really like to say so I don't upset the sensibilities of the poor sensitive souls on here.
Suffice it to say that I'd have the armed forces disbanded and many of them locked up for war crimes if it was within my power.
Suffice it to say that I'd have the armed forces disbanded and many of them locked up for war crimes if it was within my power.
03 September 2007, 04:30 PM
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Thanks for the insults, like the others that have resorted to such tactics you're demonstrating how weak your argument and ability to express it is.
It's a fact that a proportion of the armed forces will have committed murder on a state sanctioned basis. The others have facilitated that. They are all complicit. Therefore it isn't libel, also I believe it isn't possible to libel people without naming them individually.
You are correct it's a job I wouldn't do. If I had less grey matter then perhaps I could do it. Certainly being a uniformed murderer doesn't have much appeal to me.
As for the families of those killed I have no sympathy whatsoever for most of them. For the most part they supported and were proud of what their family members went to do. They can therefore reap the reward of that cruel and stupid viewpoint as surely those who died.
Perhaps the fate of those maimed in Iraq will serve as a warning to others who might seek to join the meat grinder that is the armed forces?
It's a fact that a proportion of the armed forces will have committed murder on a state sanctioned basis. The others have facilitated that. They are all complicit. Therefore it isn't libel, also I believe it isn't possible to libel people without naming them individually.
You are correct it's a job I wouldn't do. If I had less grey matter then perhaps I could do it. Certainly being a uniformed murderer doesn't have much appeal to me.
As for the families of those killed I have no sympathy whatsoever for most of them. For the most part they supported and were proud of what their family members went to do. They can therefore reap the reward of that cruel and stupid viewpoint as surely those who died.
Perhaps the fate of those maimed in Iraq will serve as a warning to others who might seek to join the meat grinder that is the armed forces?
so now our servicefolk are also stupid as well as uniformed murderers? why not go the whole hog and call them babykillers too? if you want to look at who's throwing the insults around, look no further than yourself - maybe you'll understand why you are making yourself look an arrogant fool.
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so now our servicefolk are also stupid as well as uniformed murderers? why not go the whole hog and call them babykillers too? if you want to look at who's throwing the insults around, look no further than yourself - maybe you'll understand why you are making yourself look an arrogant fool.
so now our servicefolk are also stupid as well as uniformed murderers? why not go the whole hog and call them babykillers too? if you want to look at who's throwing the insults around, look no further than yourself - maybe you'll understand why you are making yourself look an arrogant fool.
Here's one who did the decent thing
'I can't go to Iraq. I can't kill those children' - Suicide soldier's dying words to his mother - Independent Online Edition > This Britain
Troops Kill 20 in Raid Near Baghdad; Iraqis Say Children Were Among Dead - washingtonpost.com
Many more examples available.
I think it's self evident you either have to be an amoral psycopath or an idiot to join an organisation whose raison d'etre is to be the murdering tool of politicians. To be honest I have more respect for the Taliban than the retreating british army.
Oh and they aren't 'our servicefolk' they are yours and you are welcome to them.
03 September 2007, 05:04 PM
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I for one agree with Infractmes' decision to disband the armed forces, just for the sole purpose of watching his and his ilks handing wringing, limp wristed posturing when the country is over run by what ever country that decides it fancies a holiday isle in the North Sea. Hiding behind your lentil soup and open toed sandles wont help you there.
Oh but hold on I could be accused of gross generalisation with that last comment. But then again so could labeling the armed forces state sanctioned murderers, but one can't expect a such a mean spirited person to understand the simple mechanics of rules of engagement nor ever been in a situation that requires such a clarity of mind and judgement.
Oddly enough these posts seem strangely familiar, Rabid is that you again.
Oh but hold on I could be accused of gross generalisation with that last comment. But then again so could labeling the armed forces state sanctioned murderers, but one can't expect a such a mean spirited person to understand the simple mechanics of rules of engagement nor ever been in a situation that requires such a clarity of mind and judgement.
Oddly enough these posts seem strangely familiar, Rabid is that you again.
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It's a fact some of them are baykillers. What's your point?
Here's one who did the decent thing
'I can't go to Iraq. I can't kill those children' - Suicide soldier's dying words to his mother - Independent Online Edition > This Britain
Troops Kill 20 in Raid Near Baghdad; Iraqis Say Children Were Among Dead - washingtonpost.com
Many more examples available.
I think it's self evident you either have to be an amoral psycopath or an idiot to join an organisation whose raison d'etre is to be the murdering tool of politicians. To be honest I have more respect for the Taliban than the retreating british army.
Oh and they aren't 'our servicefolk' they are yours and you are welcome to them.
Here's one who did the decent thing
'I can't go to Iraq. I can't kill those children' - Suicide soldier's dying words to his mother - Independent Online Edition > This Britain
Troops Kill 20 in Raid Near Baghdad; Iraqis Say Children Were Among Dead - washingtonpost.com
Many more examples available.
I think it's self evident you either have to be an amoral psycopath or an idiot to join an organisation whose raison d'etre is to be the murdering tool of politicians. To be honest I have more respect for the Taliban than the retreating british army.
Oh and they aren't 'our servicefolk' they are yours and you are welcome to them.
well, you've made it clear where you stand: you've got a view - albeit a bilious and high-handed one that i do not, cannot, agree with. better than not having a view at all - and there are millions who don't. i'd say this thread has run its course.
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They have retreated from Basra central to the airport 7 miles out of the city where they will still be a target for insurgent rockets and grenades etc. Control of Basra is handed to the Iraqi army and police and our forces will remain in what the clever chaps in No 10 call an "overlook" mode able to step in where necessary.
PSL is right, if we leave Iraq there will be a bloody 3 way civil war and his hero Billy and the idiot Bush are responsible for starting all that up. Therefore we are morally responsible to try to stop the further murdering which would take place after the allies dextroyed their country and the infrastructure for their own political self aggrandisement! This is the price we are paying now and for a very long time for starting an illegal war against the wishes of the electorate of this country! I do not think for a moment that Flash is about to pull out of Iraq.
In answer to FP, we should not see ourselves as an international police force but we should mind our own business and our troops should be in existence to defend our own country and protectorates.
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PSL is right, if we leave Iraq there will be a bloody 3 way civil war and his hero Billy and the idiot Bush are responsible for starting all that up. Therefore we are morally responsible to try to stop the further murdering which would take place after the allies dextroyed their country and the infrastructure for their own political self aggrandisement! This is the price we are paying now and for a very long time for starting an illegal war against the wishes of the electorate of this country! I do not think for a moment that Flash is about to pull out of Iraq.
In answer to FP, we should not see ourselves as an international police force but we should mind our own business and our troops should be in existence to defend our own country and protectorates.
Les
A well thought out post as always from you. I disagree about Flash not pulling out though. Flash, in my opinion, cares more about his political agenda than staying in Iraq. He may well choose to leave Iraq under his new leadership, blaming all the wrongs on Blair.
I don't think we should leave, the troops are still needed from what I hear. Now we are there we need to finish it.
I think I would also disagree about us not seeing our troops as being an international police force. The world from space is a small place, with no visible boundaries between countries. Sitting from that position it seems totally nuts that there are areas of the world that are safe, and other areas that are war torn genocidal cess pits. If the free world have the forces to spare to help these people, then I believe they should be used, under some form of UN flag.
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You rantings are completely illogical as well as being unfair and particularly unpleasant.
I stand by my previous post regarding your idiotic prattlings and in fact would decry your opinions even more strongly if I was not such a naturally polite person!
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Sadly the powers that be have decided to censor 'Infractme!' and he is unable to reply.
I'm sure if he was able to reply he'd ask exactly how the invasion of Iraq was 'the defence of this country'. He'd also doubtless comment that members of the armed forces have the ability to stand up for what they feel is right.
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Of course they have to pay a penalty for their beliefs, somewhat like our friend 'Infractme!' who has been banned in direct contravention to scoobynet's stated policy. Of course it just shows the weakness and corruption of those that chose to do it, which is probably fine by him.
I'm sure if he was able to reply he'd ask exactly how the invasion of Iraq was 'the defence of this country'. He'd also doubtless comment that members of the armed forces have the ability to stand up for what they feel is right.
CO-Alerts: [co-alert] UK14787-170406: BRITAIN: Conscientious objector sentenced to eight month in prison
Of course they have to pay a penalty for their beliefs, somewhat like our friend 'Infractme!' who has been banned in direct contravention to scoobynet's stated policy. Of course it just shows the weakness and corruption of those that chose to do it, which is probably fine by him.
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Sadly the powers that be have decided to censor 'Infractme!' and he is unable to reply.
I'm sure if he was able to reply he'd ask exactly how the invasion of Iraq was 'the defence of this country'. He'd also doubtless comment that members of the armed forces have the ability to stand up for what they feel is right.
CO-Alerts: [co-alert] UK14787-170406: BRITAIN: Conscientious objector sentenced to eight month in prison
Of course they have to pay a penalty for their beliefs, somewhat like our friend 'Infractme!' who has been banned in direct contravention to scoobynet's stated policy. Of course it just shows the weakness and corruption of those that chose to do it, which is probably fine by him.
I'm sure if he was able to reply he'd ask exactly how the invasion of Iraq was 'the defence of this country'. He'd also doubtless comment that members of the armed forces have the ability to stand up for what they feel is right.
CO-Alerts: [co-alert] UK14787-170406: BRITAIN: Conscientious objector sentenced to eight month in prison
Of course they have to pay a penalty for their beliefs, somewhat like our friend 'Infractme!' who has been banned in direct contravention to scoobynet's stated policy. Of course it just shows the weakness and corruption of those that chose to do it, which is probably fine by him.
His comments on the members of the armed services were illogical, incorrect and extremely insulting of those who are prepared to lay down their lives in the defence of the realm. The fact that they were in an illegal war was not of their choosing. Is that how you feel as well about those who have maintained our freedom in past world wars? Would you prefer to have lived your life under the "jackboot"?
I regret also that he is unable to reply at the moment, but will also say that he has deserved all the criticism-in spades!
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Is that how you feel as well about those who have maintained our freedom in past world wars? Would you prefer to have lived your life under the "jackboot"?
I regret also that he is unable to reply at the moment, but will also say that he has deserved all the criticism-in spades!
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I regret also that he is unable to reply at the moment, but will also say that he has deserved all the criticism-in spades!
Les
I'm sure if he were able to comment 'Infactme!' (heh) would certainly welcome well thought out criticism from others had their been any. Of course someone with a very small mind thought a gagging order was more appropriate.
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Remind us again how invading someone else's country on an imaginary pretext is 'maintaining our freedom'. Today's servicemen could have taken the type of brave action I highlighted in my earlier post and refused to participate.
I'm sure if he were able to comment 'Infactme!' (heh) would certainly welcome well thought out criticism from others had their been any. Of course someone with a very small mind thought a gagging order was more appropriate.
I'm sure if he were able to comment 'Infactme!' (heh) would certainly welcome well thought out criticism from others had their been any. Of course someone with a very small mind thought a gagging order was more appropriate.
What I did say was that our servicemen had no choice but to go into Iraq, as ill equipped as they were since they had taken the oath to obey the authorities who were representing the Queen. That does not make them murderers as they were accused of by the prat who was banned! That is why I asked how one should feel about those who risked or lost their lives while defending this country against the dark forces of Nazism. Were they murderers? I wonder if you are prepared to answer that question. Neither have I said that I agreed with the principle of his banning.
We are all entitled to criticise since this is an open forum and also to defend against criticism. However I suggest that you should at least get your facts right before you leap into your own mouth with both feet!
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Do you actually read my posts?
What I did say was that our servicemen had no choice but to go into Iraq, as ill equipped as they were since they had taken the oath to obey the authorities who were representing the Queen. That does not make them murderers as they were accused of by the prat who was banned! That is why I asked how one should feel about those who risked or lost their lives while defending this country against the dark forces of Nazism. Were they murderers? I wonder if you are prepared to answer that question. Neither have I said that I agreed with the principle of his banning.
We are all entitled to criticise since this is an open forum and also to defend against criticism. However I suggest that you should at least get your facts right before you leap into your own mouth with both feet!
What I did say was that our servicemen had no choice but to go into Iraq, as ill equipped as they were since they had taken the oath to obey the authorities who were representing the Queen. That does not make them murderers as they were accused of by the prat who was banned! That is why I asked how one should feel about those who risked or lost their lives while defending this country against the dark forces of Nazism. Were they murderers? I wonder if you are prepared to answer that question. Neither have I said that I agreed with the principle of his banning.
We are all entitled to criticise since this is an open forum and also to defend against criticism. However I suggest that you should at least get your facts right before you leap into your own mouth with both feet!
If you kill someone and it isn't in self defence that's murder in my book. Whether or not someone ordered you to do it. What makes it worse is that they are an army illegally occupying someone else's land (I believe what they are doing is morally and legally wrong whatever the axis of evil might think)
The case of the fight against facism is an entirely different question and was justified because the ***** were agressors rather than a country minding it's own business.
I suggest you take your own advice. By the way did you actually read what I wrote about 'Infactme!'? Not quick on the uptake are we Les?
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Yes, do you read mine? Service personnel have the ability to choose not to do anything, like the brave man whose story I linked to earlier.
If you kill someone and it isn't in self defence that's murder in my book. Whether or not someone ordered you to do it. What makes it worse is that they are an army illegally occupying someone else's land (I believe what they are doing is morally and legally wrong whatever the axis of evil might think)
The case of the fight against facism is an entirely different question and was justified because the ***** were agressors rather than a country minding it's own business.
I suggest you take your own advice. By the way did you actually read what I wrote about 'Infactme!'? Not quick on the uptake are we Les?
If you kill someone and it isn't in self defence that's murder in my book. Whether or not someone ordered you to do it. What makes it worse is that they are an army illegally occupying someone else's land (I believe what they are doing is morally and legally wrong whatever the axis of evil might think)
The case of the fight against facism is an entirely different question and was justified because the ***** were agressors rather than a country minding it's own business.
I suggest you take your own advice. By the way did you actually read what I wrote about 'Infactme!'? Not quick on the uptake are we Les?
The services were ordered to go to Iraq by the PM acting as the Queen's representative and he has power to mobilise the forces without needing anyone's further authority which I believe to be a mistake. He does not even have to consult Parliament-not that this lot do anyway! Did you expect the entire armed services to refuse his order? I remember all those here supporting this action and I think their wish was to see SH taken out even though regime change is internationally illegal. I did not support this war now or at that time. I have often decried the destruction of Iraq and its infrastructure as well as the loss of so many thousands of innocent lives.
Of course killing an innocent person is wrong. However, when at war and you are under threat yourself at any time, it cannot however be called murder to use your weapons in defence of your own life while carrying out your duties. It is what the military do and are expected to do. It is wrong and unfair to accuse them of murder as you appear to be and the other prat has done. If you were out there would you stand in the road and say come on kill me-I will not respond?
I read what you said about Infractme in the first place of course, I have told you that I regret he is unable to speak for himself, what else do you expect me to say? No good talking in riddles or with inferences, just say it out loud so that we all know just what you really mean!
Les
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