Black man down and riots
05 October 2020, 01:39 PM
#211
That’s what caused Fox to have his latest outburst.
He has a point though....but of course blurt out an opinion that goes against the politically correct you will get jumped upon with a load of abuse, and then they become outraged when he responds in kind.
Fact of the matter is; Why does Sainsbury’s not also provide safe spaces for employees who are female, LGBTQ+++, Muslim, Jewish, migrants or any other group who may feel the need to have a segregated ‘space’. And when addressing pay gaps ask why are there no black people on the board of directors?
He has a point though....but of course blurt out an opinion that goes against the politically correct you will get jumped upon with a load of abuse, and then they become outraged when he responds in kind.
Fact of the matter is; Why does Sainsbury’s not also provide safe spaces for employees who are female, LGBTQ+++, Muslim, Jewish, migrants or any other group who may feel the need to have a segregated ‘space’. And when addressing pay gaps ask why are there no black people on the board of directors?
05 October 2020, 10:28 PM
#212
Scooby Regular
That’s what caused Fox to have his latest outburst.
He has a point though....but of course blurt out an opinion that goes against the politically correct you will get jumped upon with a load of abuse, and then they become outraged when he responds in kind.
Fact of the matter is; Why does Sainsbury’s not also provide safe spaces for employees who are female, LGBTQ+++, Muslim, Jewish, migrants or any other group who may feel the need to have a segregated ‘space’. And when addressing pay gaps ask why are there no black people on the board of directors?
He has a point though....but of course blurt out an opinion that goes against the politically correct you will get jumped upon with a load of abuse, and then they become outraged when he responds in kind.
Fact of the matter is; Why does Sainsbury’s not also provide safe spaces for employees who are female, LGBTQ+++, Muslim, Jewish, migrants or any other group who may feel the need to have a segregated ‘space’. And when addressing pay gaps ask why are there no black people on the board of directors?
cos they are racist.
Ok maybe not, but they are doing the definition of racism.
27 October 2020, 05:15 PM
#213
Scooby Senior
Next one down in Philadelphia followed by riots!
This time the guy was armed with a knife and coming towards to the police, so fair enough they took action, but the question is if the action they took was proportional?
He was a fair distance from the officers involved when they shot him, they could have used a taser instead.
The two officers involved literally emptied their magazines into his chest, killing him instantly! Maybe a single shot to the leg would have been more appropriate!
UK police would have easily handled the situation with batons, but in the US it's kill first and don't bother with the questions!
This time the guy was armed with a knife and coming towards to the police, so fair enough they took action, but the question is if the action they took was proportional?
He was a fair distance from the officers involved when they shot him, they could have used a taser instead.
The two officers involved literally emptied their magazines into his chest, killing him instantly! Maybe a single shot to the leg would have been more appropriate!
UK police would have easily handled the situation with batons, but in the US it's kill first and don't bother with the questions!
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27 October 2020, 07:06 PM
#215
Scooby Regular
Next one down in Philadelphia followed by riots!
This time the guy was armed with a knife and coming towards to the police, so fair enough they took action, but the question is if the action they took was proportional?
He was a fair distance from the officers involved when they shot him, they could have used a taser instead.
The two officers involved literally emptied their magazines into his chest, killing him instantly! Maybe a single shot to the leg would have been more appropriate!
UK police would have easily handled the situation with batons, but in the US it's kill first and don't bother with the questions!
This time the guy was armed with a knife and coming towards to the police, so fair enough they took action, but the question is if the action they took was proportional?
He was a fair distance from the officers involved when they shot him, they could have used a taser instead.
The two officers involved literally emptied their magazines into his chest, killing him instantly! Maybe a single shot to the leg would have been more appropriate!
UK police would have easily handled the situation with batons, but in the US it's kill first and don't bother with the questions!
ffs, it came at them with a knife, they backed off, he carried on coming at them.
If he hadn't had a knife, had followed orders to drop it, hadn't moved at them then he would still be alive, only one person to blame in the situation.
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, then it will calm down.
27 October 2020, 11:21 PM
#216
Scooby Senior
ffs, it came at them with a knife, they backed off, he carried on coming at them.
If he hadn't had a knife, had followed orders to drop it, hadn't moved at them then he would still be alive, only one person to blame in the situation.
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, then it will calm down.
If he hadn't had a knife, had followed orders to drop it, hadn't moved at them then he would still be alive, only one person to blame in the situation.
People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, then it will calm down.
28 October 2020, 04:15 AM
#217
Cops had no tasers , apparently not issued by Philadelphia police force.
If a rabid nut case is coming at you with a 12 inch blade , very little option available to you.
American cops are taught to kill when using firearms .
If a rabid nut case is coming at you with a 12 inch blade , very little option available to you.
American cops are taught to kill when using firearms .
28 October 2020, 08:22 AM
#218
Scooby Senior
Sure there will be situations where people will still get killed by police, but it shouldn't be happening as often as it does, it shouldn't be the default response!
Lewis Hamilton posted a video on Instagram today of British police tackling a crazed guy with a machete using just their batons! If the British police can deal with crazy machete wielding guys without killing them, why can't the American police do the same?
28 October 2020, 08:32 AM
#219
This is the problem, why aren't they equipped with tasers, batons and body cams? Why aren't they taught to stop rather than kill?
Sure there will be situations where people will still get killed by police, but it shouldn't be happening as often as it does, it shouldn't be the default response!
Lewis Hamilton posted a video on Instagram today of British police tackling a crazed guy with a machete using just their batons! If the British police can deal with crazy machete wielding guys without killing them, why can't the American police do the same?
Sure there will be situations where people will still get killed by police, but it shouldn't be happening as often as it does, it shouldn't be the default response!
Lewis Hamilton posted a video on Instagram today of British police tackling a crazed guy with a machete using just their batons! If the British police can deal with crazy machete wielding guys without killing them, why can't the American police do the same?
28 October 2020, 08:52 AM
#220
Scooby Senior
Things are only as complicated as you make them, if they wanted to change, they could!
The big problem is heavy handed policing only brings distrust of the police and makes policing harder than it needs to be. The police are there to bring people to justice, not to dispatch justice!
28 October 2020, 11:27 AM
#221
Try shooting moving targets with a side arm. Body shot is the most definite way of hitting the target. But may take multiple shots to disable contrary to Hollywood fiction people don’t drop to the ground from a single shot; It’s the same shooting animals, head shot to a specific part of the head is always preferred for a straight kill but requires a rifle and a good set of sights. Hit anywhere else other than the rear of the brain or heart and the animal will likely run/fly away to die a horrible slow painful death (And that’s generally why I’m of the anti hunting fraternity).
Sure in films a shot to the knee cap with a old revolver is easy (I used to have a Brocock converted air revolver before they were banned; Its accuracy was terrible even at close range, the only way to make a pistol accurate is with a scope/red dot modification and then still be super quick with aiming. Even at point black blank range hitting a leg or arm to disable may not bring the person to the floor.
Keeping an open mind several of the first shots maybe warning shots or off target, but if the dude is coming at you in a frenzied manner and the gun was already drawn, then I could see why a magazine would be unloaded...keep shooting til he stops. He could be wearing armour or prior shots missed or were flesh wounds.
Captain Hindsight would say they should have drawn tasers. I don’t know what their protocol is for someone waving a knife and acting in a hostile manner. But I’m sure we’ve seen footage where tasers haven't worked, and I dare say if I was front line in that situation I would not have full faith in a taser working.
28 October 2020, 12:24 PM
#222
Scooby Regular
28 October 2020, 01:12 PM
#223
Scooby Senior
I think there is some over simplification going on with regards to shooting to disable: From the video I saw he was circling around police, approached, police backed off and then walked round and reproached then was almost in reaching range of the one officer...it was at that point shots were fired. (I haven’t updated details on further specifics of the event).
Try shooting moving targets with a side arm. Body shot is the most definite way of hitting the target. But may take multiple shots to disable contrary to Hollywood fiction people don’t drop to the ground from a single shot; It’s the same shooting animals, head shot to a specific part of the head is always preferred for a straight kill but requires a rifle and a good set of sights. Hit anywhere else other than the rear of the brain or heart and the animal will likely run/fly away to die a horrible slow painful death (And that’s generally why I’m of the anti hunting fraternity).
Sure in films a shot to the knee cap with a old revolver is easy (I used to have a Brocock converted air revolver before they were banned; Its accuracy was terrible even at close range, the only way to make a pistol accurate is with a scope/red dot modification and then still be super quick with aiming. Even at point black blank range hitting a leg or arm to disable may not bring the person to the floor.
Keeping an open mind several of the first shots maybe warning shots or off target, but if the dude is coming at you in a frenzied manner and the gun was already drawn, then I could see why a magazine would be unloaded...keep shooting til he stops. He could be wearing armour or prior shots missed or were flesh wounds.
Captain Hindsight would say they should have drawn tasers. I don’t know what their protocol is for someone waving a knife and acting in a hostile manner. But I’m sure we’ve seen footage where tasers haven't worked, and I dare say if I was front line in that situation I would not have full faith in a taser working.
Try shooting moving targets with a side arm. Body shot is the most definite way of hitting the target. But may take multiple shots to disable contrary to Hollywood fiction people don’t drop to the ground from a single shot; It’s the same shooting animals, head shot to a specific part of the head is always preferred for a straight kill but requires a rifle and a good set of sights. Hit anywhere else other than the rear of the brain or heart and the animal will likely run/fly away to die a horrible slow painful death (And that’s generally why I’m of the anti hunting fraternity).
Sure in films a shot to the knee cap with a old revolver is easy (I used to have a Brocock converted air revolver before they were banned; Its accuracy was terrible even at close range, the only way to make a pistol accurate is with a scope/red dot modification and then still be super quick with aiming. Even at point black blank range hitting a leg or arm to disable may not bring the person to the floor.
Keeping an open mind several of the first shots maybe warning shots or off target, but if the dude is coming at you in a frenzied manner and the gun was already drawn, then I could see why a magazine would be unloaded...keep shooting til he stops. He could be wearing armour or prior shots missed or were flesh wounds.
Captain Hindsight would say they should have drawn tasers. I don’t know what their protocol is for someone waving a knife and acting in a hostile manner. But I’m sure we’ve seen footage where tasers haven't worked, and I dare say if I was front line in that situation I would not have full faith in a taser working.
As I understand it, they both fired off 7 shots and the guy was hit in the chest and shoulder - I don't know how many of the 14 shots hit and how many missed!
Yes shooting in the leg isn't easy, particularly in the heat of the moment. Stray bullets can also kill, and that shouldn't be discounted either.
My issue isn't so much directly with this incident, but the general attitude of the American police and their disproportionate use of violence in many cases.
28 October 2020, 01:51 PM
#224
Scooby Regular
I've seen the video and the officers were totally justified to shoot.
As I understand it, they both fired off 7 shots and the guy was hit in the chest and shoulder - I don't know how many of the 14 shots hit and how many missed!
Yes shooting in the leg isn't easy, particularly in the heat of the moment. Stray bullets can also kill, and that shouldn't be discounted either.
My issue isn't so much directly with this incident, but the general attitude of the American police and their disproportionate use of violence in many cases.
As I understand it, they both fired off 7 shots and the guy was hit in the chest and shoulder - I don't know how many of the 14 shots hit and how many missed!
Yes shooting in the leg isn't easy, particularly in the heat of the moment. Stray bullets can also kill, and that shouldn't be discounted either.
My issue isn't so much directly with this incident, but the general attitude of the American police and their disproportionate use of violence in many cases.
There is a societal issue in the black polutation within the US, you just have to go look at the stats on crime and its easy to see. I shall prob get called racist for saying that, which is half the problem.
28 October 2020, 03:16 PM
#225
I've seen the video and the officers were totally justified to shoot.
As I understand it, they both fired off 7 shots and the guy was hit in the chest and shoulder - I don't know how many of the 14 shots hit and how many missed!
Yes shooting in the leg isn't easy, particularly in the heat of the moment. Stray bullets can also kill, and that shouldn't be discounted either.
My issue isn't so much directly with this incident, but the general attitude of the American police and their disproportionate use of violence in many cases.
As I understand it, they both fired off 7 shots and the guy was hit in the chest and shoulder - I don't know how many of the 14 shots hit and how many missed!
Yes shooting in the leg isn't easy, particularly in the heat of the moment. Stray bullets can also kill, and that shouldn't be discounted either.
My issue isn't so much directly with this incident, but the general attitude of the American police and their disproportionate use of violence in many cases.
Granted there is a issue; in some states by some departments. But I don’t think its countrywide. There is a ranging cultural difference from state to state which also imparts on crime and how police tend to react. Similar to how British police have vs. Gendarmes and Guardia Civil.
Bad apples exist, that’s not ok. But I don’t think this particular shooting is going to help in ridding them.
19 November 2021, 10:34 PM
#226
Scooby Regular
You can actually get away with shooting unarmed people dead scot free in US …!!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...61097.html?amp
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...61097.html?amp
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