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01 June 2018, 08:49 AM
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01 June 2018, 09:04 AM
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Trooper, there’s an awful lot of conflation and straw to unpick here so may I ask that you put questions to me in a way that enables me to answer specifically. I’d also ask that we don’t turn this in to a theism/atheism contest; in so doing we can avoid pages and pages of ‘debate’ that can’t be won or lost without establishing axioms. I trust you’re well and understand my reluctance to engage as the conversation stands.
The rock your religion is based on is founded in myth and legend. Who knows in years to come people will accept Jedi as a following or belief...............oh hang on a minute.
We are just sparks of light before a long period of death. Simple. You live, you die. Enjoy living. Don't worry about some weirdo beardo telling you to use the up stairs or down stairs to your imagined nirvana/hell.
We are just sparks of light before a long period of death. Simple. You live, you die. Enjoy living. Don't worry about some weirdo beardo telling you to use the up stairs or down stairs to your imagined nirvana/hell.
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01 June 2018, 10:54 AM
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01 June 2018, 11:29 AM
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“Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
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01 June 2018, 11:37 AM
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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...urqa-and-niqab
Looks like parts of Europe seem to have the right idea on this.
Looks like parts of Europe seem to have the right idea on this.
01 June 2018, 01:36 PM
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^^^ I see the Burqa and Niqab as 100% subjugation of women and would fully support a ban here - I really don't understand why a woman would subject herself to this form of dress? it completely baffles me.
Especially as this picture of the Bin Laden family in 1970 shows how it used to be in the Middle East and how they seemed to have rapidly moved backwards into the Stone Age in the space of about 40 years is incredible...
However on a ligher note this made me chuckle - US Preacher asks for his 4th $54m falcon X Private Jet saying god wishes him to have it
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44305873
Especially as this picture of the Bin Laden family in 1970 shows how it used to be in the Middle East and how they seemed to have rapidly moved backwards into the Stone Age in the space of about 40 years is incredible...
However on a ligher note this made me chuckle - US Preacher asks for his 4th $54m falcon X Private Jet saying god wishes him to have it
:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44305873
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02 June 2018, 03:22 AM
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02 June 2018, 08:36 AM
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It's hard to see the rest of what Douglas Murray writes as in principle unbiased, on the basis of form like this.
02 June 2018, 09:01 AM
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I just did, and I was very disappointed to find the author had blatantly misquoted Secret Barrister as describing a protest in support of Robinson as "a ****-themed march" (the NR author used quotemarks, so clearly wanted his readers to think those were the actual words used by SB), whereas SB's blog in reality just said "a march on Downing Street".
It's hard to see the rest of what Douglas Murray writes as in principle unbiased, on the basis of form like this.
It's hard to see the rest of what Douglas Murray writes as in principle unbiased, on the basis of form like this.
ETA: Yes, I agree that Murray misquoted The Secret Barrister.
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02 June 2018, 11:08 AM
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I just did, and I was very disappointed to find the author had blatantly misquoted Secret Barrister as describing a protest in support of Robinson as "a ****-themed march" (the NR author used quotemarks, so clearly wanted his readers to think those were the actual words used by SB), whereas SB's blog in reality just said "a march on Downing Street".
It's hard to see the rest of what Douglas Murray writes as in principle unbiased, on the basis of form like this.
It's hard to see the rest of what Douglas Murray writes as in principle unbiased, on the basis of form like this.
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02 June 2018, 10:13 PM
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03 June 2018, 11:41 AM
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I'm pretty sure that Secret Barrister's blog did originally say "****-themed march" - it appears he has since edited it. In fact it was this description of the march that made me think that SB's blog was not unbiased, along with his reference to Robinson's "knuckle dragging cheerleaders".
03 June 2018, 12:25 PM
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I totally agree, but it is however a judgement based on opinion, and I thought it inappropriate in an article by a lawyer trying to convey the untainted truth of the matter. Supporters of "free Tommy Robinson" will no doubt dismiss what Secret Barrister is actually saying when they find themselves referred to like this.
03 June 2018, 12:26 PM
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I totally agree, but it is however a judgement based on opinion, and I thought it inappropriate in an article by a lawyer trying to convey the untainted truth of the matter. Supporters of "free Tommy Robinson" will no doubt dismiss what Secret Barrister is actually saying when they find themselves referred to like this.
03 June 2018, 12:56 PM
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Perhaps young, working-class men aren’t stymied by the middle-class necessity to avoid at all cost accusations of Islamaphobia. What if the former are correct and voice, if somewhat ineloquently, very real concerns about Islam? They’ve nothing to lose, you see, no standing to protect. I believe it’s known as ‘telling it like it is’.
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03 June 2018, 01:04 PM
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Perhaps young, working-class men aren’t stymied by the middle-class necessity to avoid at all cost accusations of Islamaphobia. What if the former are correct and voice, if somewhat ineloquently, very real concerns about Islam? They’ve nothing to lose, you see, no standing to protect. I believe it’s known as ‘telling it like it is’.
03 June 2018, 01:20 PM
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I voted remain and welcome immigrants. What I don’t welcome are the increasing Islamic enclaves that are growing rapidly across Great Britain. If the young, working class men we’re discussing are of the same opinion, then yes, I’ll stand with them. What I see from the last several posts is a snobbery which renders the very real concerns of a particular demographic invalid on the grounds that they are different to you and others. The hypocrisy sickens me. The demographic once faught wars and worked as colliers and enjoyed a pint and watched the footy. They see their landscape eroding and have in Robinson one of their own acting on their behalf. My heart goes out to them.
03 June 2018, 01:27 PM
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I voted remain and welcome immigrants. What I don’t welcome are the increasing Islamic enclaves that are growing rapidly across Great Britain. If the young, working class men we’re discussing are of the same opinion, then yes, I’ll stand with them. What I see from the last several posts is a snobbery which renders the very real concerns of a particular demographic invalid on the grounds that they are different to you and others. The hypocrisy sickens me. The demographic once faught wars and worked as colliers and enjoyed a pint and watched the footy. They see their landscape eroding and have in Robinson one of their own acting on their behalf. My heart goes out to them.
03 June 2018, 01:34 PM
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