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03 June 2018, 01:57 PM
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The labels you use are thrown around in various postmodern echo chambers. I’d urge you to drop your prejudices and actually digest the content and substance of what Robinson says and criticise that - play the ball, not the man.
As an exercise, why don’t you post some of Robinson’s words and we’ll critique it together. Additionally, we’ll analyse your ‘joke’ about Robinson’s followers being illiterate. Let’s see who the bigot is.
03 June 2018, 04:24 PM
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You ought to read the Murray article. Additionally, I’m opposed to the spread of Islam in GB and Europe; does this make me far-right and if it does, so what!? I’ve had punch-ups in the past, too. I’ll leave it up to you to decide whether I’m a bigot.
The labels you use are thrown around in various postmodern echo chambers. I’d urge you to drop your prejudices and actually digest the content and substance of what Robinson says and criticise that - play the ball, not the man.
As an exercise, why don’t you post some of Robinson’s words and we’ll critique it together. Additionally, we’ll analyse your ‘joke’ about Robinson’s followers being illiterate. Let’s see who the bigot is.
The labels you use are thrown around in various postmodern echo chambers. I’d urge you to drop your prejudices and actually digest the content and substance of what Robinson says and criticise that - play the ball, not the man.
As an exercise, why don’t you post some of Robinson’s words and we’ll critique it together. Additionally, we’ll analyse your ‘joke’ about Robinson’s followers being illiterate. Let’s see who the bigot is.
Either way, what's the solution? Tell 3m British people that they're not allowed to be Muslim anymore? Deport them somewhere?
What is it you actually want?
03 June 2018, 08:45 PM
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Clumsy and lazy.
TR is on the record many times over in his support for many diverse groups ie hindus, sikhs, jews, homosexuals, people of Afro Caribbean etc.
He has stood on platforms time and time again lauding the contribution of these groups.
He has an issue with those that follow the literal word of the Qur'an. He feels those people cannot integrate into UK society.
Many feel he has a very valid point. We are a tolerant society, people who have an unwavering loyalty to a medieval religion over and above our progressive attitudes to accept all beliefs and lifestyles as being equal have no place here.
The irony is that the most liberal parts of our society defend the rights of these people to be the exact opposite.
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03 June 2018, 09:35 PM
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Clumsy and lazy.
TR is on the record many times over in his support for many diverse groups ie hindus, sikhs, jews, homosexuals, people of Afro Caribbean etc.
He has stood on platforms time and time again lauding the contribution of these groups.
He has an issue with those that follow the literal word of the Qur'an. He feels those people cannot integrate into UK society.
Many feel he has a very valid point. We are a tolerant society, people who have an unwavering loyalty to a medieval religion over and above our progressive attitudes to accept all beliefs and lifestyles as being equal have no place here.
The irony is that the most liberal parts of our society defend the rights of these people to be the exact opposite.
TR is on the record many times over in his support for many diverse groups ie hindus, sikhs, jews, homosexuals, people of Afro Caribbean etc.
He has stood on platforms time and time again lauding the contribution of these groups.
He has an issue with those that follow the literal word of the Qur'an. He feels those people cannot integrate into UK society.
Many feel he has a very valid point. We are a tolerant society, people who have an unwavering loyalty to a medieval religion over and above our progressive attitudes to accept all beliefs and lifestyles as being equal have no place here.
The irony is that the most liberal parts of our society defend the rights of these people to be the exact opposite.
03 June 2018, 09:58 PM
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I pray for a reformation within Islam that reverses Salafism, acknowledges secularism and renders spiritual a ‘religion’ that actually resembles an ideology.
I also pray for a Saul of Tarsus (Paul the Apostle) figure to rise up and lead Muslims to the living Christ; that’s my commission as a Christian.
Either way, what's the solution? Tell 3m British people that they're not allowed to be Muslim anymore? Deport them somewhere?
What is it you actually want?
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03 June 2018, 10:29 PM
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Clumsy and lazy.
TR is on the record many times over in his support for many diverse groups ie hindus, sikhs, jews, homosexuals, people of Afro Caribbean etc.
He has stood on platforms time and time again lauding the contribution of these groups.
He has an issue with those that follow the literal word of the Qur'an. He feels those people cannot integrate into UK society.
Many feel he has a very valid point. We are a tolerant society, people who have an unwavering loyalty to a medieval religion over and above our progressive attitudes to accept all beliefs and lifestyles as being equal have no place here.
The irony is that the most liberal parts of our society defend the rights of these people to be the exact opposite.
TR is on the record many times over in his support for many diverse groups ie hindus, sikhs, jews, homosexuals, people of Afro Caribbean etc.
He has stood on platforms time and time again lauding the contribution of these groups.
He has an issue with those that follow the literal word of the Qur'an. He feels those people cannot integrate into UK society.
Many feel he has a very valid point. We are a tolerant society, people who have an unwavering loyalty to a medieval religion over and above our progressive attitudes to accept all beliefs and lifestyles as being equal have no place here.
The irony is that the most liberal parts of our society defend the rights of these people to be the exact opposite.
He lead an organisation that left a trail of destruction behind wherever it went.
TR has openly stated that he believes in collective punishment for the Muslim community.
My question to him be 'what do you actually want, and how should that be achieved'?
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05 June 2018, 07:30 PM
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watch this
https://youtu.be/DqRhWINgVF8
https://youtu.be/DqRhWINgVF8
Ain't read any of the stuff after my last post, not had a chance (starting a new job). When I get a second I might be able to get more involved in the debate but good to see this has got some discussion going.
Thanks for the video, interesting stuff. Doesn't seem like anything different to what the US does with Christianity, imho.
05 June 2018, 07:37 PM
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First, Muslims do not follow Islam, they follow Mohammad. Secondly, Salafists account for approximately 1% of the world’s Muslim population. If the remaining 99% wish to practice their ‘faith’ peacefully and pursue spiritual goals then I am to break bread with them and love them as commanded by the Christ. I would be bound to tell them, however, that their prophet is false and I would seek to point out that their salvation can be found only by trusting in Jesus of Nazerath.
Salafist Jihadis (who to their credit seek to emulate their prophet, albeit in error) are entreated to conquer the West by all means necessary and it is therefore incumbent upon all those with the eyes to see and the ears hear to resist. Love is the central tenet of Christianity, but we are not to allow evil to prevail. I pray that there will be a reformation of sorts within Islam and that a non-violent solution can be found. Sadly, I am pessimistic about this materialising. If one looks far enough in to the future they will see increased civil unrest and worse. Those who share Judeo-Christian origins and those who wish to protect that heritage are to learn about their enemy, love them if possible and, if absolutely necessary, take up arms against them in defence of the bloodline.
The writing’s on the wall and as such my loyalty is to Jesus, the Crown and our future generations. Apathy is not an option.
Salafist Jihadis (who to their credit seek to emulate their prophet, albeit in error) are entreated to conquer the West by all means necessary and it is therefore incumbent upon all those with the eyes to see and the ears hear to resist. Love is the central tenet of Christianity, but we are not to allow evil to prevail. I pray that there will be a reformation of sorts within Islam and that a non-violent solution can be found. Sadly, I am pessimistic about this materialising. If one looks far enough in to the future they will see increased civil unrest and worse. Those who share Judeo-Christian origins and those who wish to protect that heritage are to learn about their enemy, love them if possible and, if absolutely necessary, take up arms against them in defence of the bloodline.
The writing’s on the wall and as such my loyalty is to Jesus, the Crown and our future generations. Apathy is not an option.
Yeah, you probably have some good points but I don't wanna start getting into the specifics of each religion (I know how that sounds but it's not my bag and that's just the way it is).
Nothing I have seen so far says anything other than TR being good at pivoting to stay relevant and to stay in a position that allows people to feel they can follow him. He's done enough in the past to show his true colors. TR is not doing this in some attempt to right the wrongs of extremism - he's a c#nt, imho
05 June 2018, 07:44 PM
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If TR had been silenced in a somewhat unlawful way then that would have been something I was against, turns out that is not the truth.
Interestingly I think people in the US who support TR and have become aware of his recent woes seem to think that we have the same types of free speech in the UK as in the US - pretty sure there are some major differences in how our freedoms of speech are structured when it comes to hate speech (also they don't realize he actually broke court orders and therefore the law, from what has been explained to me here).
06 June 2018, 08:23 PM
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Tommy Robinson or Stephen Yaxley dances to the tune of his paymasters. The same tune that Majid Nawaz, Anjem Choudary and Abu Hamza dance to.
They play out the narrative given to them by those who line their pockets with silver. The Zionist neocons who divert the attention of the masses from the real issues to something else. It’s quite simple, follow the money. Who funds the Quilliam foundation? Who funds Tommy Robinson?
Nick Griffin like him or loathe him at least refused to sell himself out.
They play out the narrative given to them by those who line their pockets with silver. The Zionist neocons who divert the attention of the masses from the real issues to something else. It’s quite simple, follow the money. Who funds the Quilliam foundation? Who funds Tommy Robinson?
Nick Griffin like him or loathe him at least refused to sell himself out.
07 June 2018, 07:20 AM
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Tommy Robinson or Stephen Yaxley dances to the tune of his paymasters. The same tune that Majid Nawaz, Anjem Choudary and Abu Hamza dance to.
They play out the narrative given to them by those who line their pockets with silver. The Zionist neocons who divert the attention of the masses from the real issues to something else. It’s quite simple, follow the money. Who funds the Quilliam foundation? Who funds Tommy Robinson?
Nick Griffin like him or loathe him at least refused to sell himself out.
https://youtu.be/QYR8OXVCX2w
They play out the narrative given to them by those who line their pockets with silver. The Zionist neocons who divert the attention of the masses from the real issues to something else. It’s quite simple, follow the money. Who funds the Quilliam foundation? Who funds Tommy Robinson?
Nick Griffin like him or loathe him at least refused to sell himself out.
https://youtu.be/QYR8OXVCX2w
29 June 2018, 08:50 PM
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When muslims kill our innocent citizens on the streets of the UK as they go about their lawful busines we say they do not represent the peaceful religion of Islam.
When muslims stand on street corners preaching intolerance to non believers and homosexuals we say they do not represent the tolerant and benevolent nature of the prophet Mohammed.
When muslims run schools that segregate boys and girls we say its not representative of the community at large.
When a handful of Tommy Robinson's 'followers' give a **** salute and attack the police the blind liberals claim that these people do accurately and totally represent Robinson's views
Double standards to say the least.
When muslims stand on street corners preaching intolerance to non believers and homosexuals we say they do not represent the tolerant and benevolent nature of the prophet Mohammed.
When muslims run schools that segregate boys and girls we say its not representative of the community at large.
When a handful of Tommy Robinson's 'followers' give a **** salute and attack the police the blind liberals claim that these people do accurately and totally represent Robinson's views
Double standards to say the least.
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30 June 2018, 10:23 AM
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Pithy, but no cigar. You see, I don’t particularly like Robinson. I think he’s taken part-ownership of a critical conversation and represents it in a way that’s easy to brush aside by those who are tolerant of Islam. But it’s him that you brush aside; the accent, the Stone Island clobber and the skin-headed hangers-on make for low hanging fruit easily picked by middle-class liberals. It would seem, however, that the content of what he actually says is much harder to dismiss.
30 June 2018, 09:19 PM
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When muslims kill our innocent citizens on the streets of the UK as they go about their lawful busines we say they do not represent the peaceful religion of Islam.
When muslims stand on street corners preaching intolerance to non believers and homosexuals we say they do not represent the tolerant and benevolent nature of the prophet Mohammed.
When muslims run schools that segregate boys and girls we say its not representative of the community at large.
When a handful of Tommy Robinson's 'followers' give a **** salute and attack the police the blind liberals claim that these people do accurately and totally represent Robinson's views
Double standards to say the least.
When muslims stand on street corners preaching intolerance to non believers and homosexuals we say they do not represent the tolerant and benevolent nature of the prophet Mohammed.
When muslims run schools that segregate boys and girls we say its not representative of the community at large.
When a handful of Tommy Robinson's 'followers' give a **** salute and attack the police the blind liberals claim that these people do accurately and totally represent Robinson's views
Double standards to say the least.
30 June 2018, 09:43 PM
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Pithy, but no cigar. You see, I don’t particularly like Robinson. I think he’s taken part-ownership of a critical conversation and represents it in a way that’s easy to brush aside by those who are tolerant of Islam. But it’s him that you brush aside; the accent, the Stone Island clobber and the skin-headed hangers-on make for low hanging fruit easily picked by middle-class liberals. It would seem, however, that the content of what he actually says is much harder to dismiss.