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Old 31 May 2018, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Tom Martyr




haha , v good
Old 31 May 2018, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
That is of course if we are assuming that we're discussing two different people and not simply two different peoples views of the same person...
I don’t understand what you’re saying, Neil.
Old 31 May 2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I don’t understand what you’re saying, Neil.

Well your assertion is very much reliant on Mohammed and Jesus being different people.
Old 31 May 2018, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Well your assertion is very much reliant on Mohammed and Jesus being different people.
How odd.
Old 31 May 2018, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Tom Martyr


Clever.
Old 31 May 2018, 01:32 PM
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You can see why some people are drawn to the likes of Tommy Robinson. A week doesn't seem to go by without some kind of attack or attempted attack in Europe on innocent men, women and children.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/man-a...-plea-11390636
Old 31 May 2018, 01:41 PM
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What about all the innocent victims of attacks otherwise, that don't get reported
Old 31 May 2018, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I think you’re confusing C.S.Lewis with Lewis Carrol.

With regards your source, I’m not sure what it proves in terms of comparing Christianity with Islam. Please elucidate.
Like the UK, US Law is based around the Christian Faith and allegiance is sworn on the Bible. Lucid enough?
Old 31 May 2018, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
but the cases are for the same offence so could lead to futher charges.


so i say again, what is the difference?
The legal tacit of the alleged crime can carry the exclusion or for withholding the right to report.

The Law is an *** I know but that is the simple fact. There have been a number of Super Injunctions, notably Clarkson and Andrew Marr who by the letter of the Law stopped the press reporting the case, it's evidence or that the cases were taking place! Money talks but don't forget with some celebs some publicity is better than none.
Old 31 May 2018, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
What about all the innocent victims of attacks otherwise, that don't get reported
^^^^^^^^^^
Old 31 May 2018, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
How odd.

No more odd than believing in a being based on entirely unquantifiable evidence and then using said evidence to try and justify stating that other people are wrong in their equally unquantifiable beliefs.
Old 31 May 2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
No more odd than believing in a being based on entirely unquantifiable evidence and then using said evidence to try and justify stating that other people are wrong in their equally unquantifiable beliefs.
Old 31 May 2018, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815

Great read, I think he's hit the nail on the head at the end, some people just don't want to believe the facts and continue to jump on the free Tommy bandwagon. Unfortunately, for most, it's far easier to trawl through Facebook and see short videos than spend some time actually reading something a bit more informative
Old 31 May 2018, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Like the UK, US Law is based around the Christian Faith and allegiance is sworn on the Bible. Lucid enough?
Tenuous.
Old 31 May 2018, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
No more odd than believing in a being based on entirely unquantifiable evidence and then using said evidence to try and justify stating that other people are wrong in their equally unquantifiable beliefs.
This is sophistry and I have no time for it.
Old 31 May 2018, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
This is sophistry and I have no time for it.
See this is the joy of these debates, I always learn something from from your posts.
Old 31 May 2018, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Hello, Martin. Jesus is not “relaxed” about children going to hell. A child may go to hell, but only when and if he or she has rejected the Lord once on or passed the age of accountability. I challenge you to find in the bible at what age a child becomes accountable.

Furthermore, given that we appear to be engaged in a game of Abrahamic Top Trumps, it’s worth considering that Mohammad leads and has led billions to ‘Jahannam’ owing to his false prophecy.

The bible states absolutely clearly that it is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone that one is assured of salvation. To keep this truth from our friends and neighbours in the Ummah is to condemn them.
Yes most religions have that kind of exclusivity clause. Almost certainly, constructs added later for political power.
Jesus was the Lord of natural justice, therefore it's highly unlikely he would of said such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Yes most religions have that kind of exclusivity clause. Almost certainly, constructs added later for political power.
Jesus was the Lord of natural justice, therefore it's highly unlikely he would of said such a thing.
You are perfectly at liberty to reject the Word.
Old 31 May 2018, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
You are perfectly at liberty to reject the Word.
I don't reject most of the things he said, they form the basis of my morality.
Old 31 May 2018, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I don't reject most of the things he said, they form the basis of my morality.
I hear you, but the gate is narrow.
Old 31 May 2018, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I hear you, but the gate is narrow.
And therein lies my problem with the Church
Old 31 May 2018, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
And therein lies my problem with the Church
It was Jesus who said that the gate is narrow, not His church.
Old 31 May 2018, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
It was Jesus who said that the gate is narrow, not His church.
maybe someone should of asked him why it's so narrow
Old 31 May 2018, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
What about all the innocent victims of attacks otherwise, that don't get reported
But you see why somebody like TR would have support by certain sections of the community?

Tubes and buses blown up. 56 people killed.

A British soldier murdered on the streets of London during an attempted decapitation.

7 people killed and 48 injured in the London Bridge attack.

Manchester bombing, 22 killed 59 injured.

Houses of Parliament attack 6 killed and 50 injured.

All committed by Muslim extremists in the name of their god.

And today the Muslim Council of Britain demands for an inquiry into 'Islamophobia' in the Tory party
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Tenuous.
As tenuous as believing in God.
Old 31 May 2018, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
As tenuous as believing in God.
My beliefs are built on rock; yours, as demonstrated by the ease with which your arguments are consistently toppled, are founded on sand. In fact in what do you believe, Trooper?

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
maybe someone should of asked him why it's so narrow
Maybe you should ask Him, friend.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...es-journalist/
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
My beliefs are built on rock; yours, as demonstrated by the ease with which your arguments are consistently toppled, are founded on sand. In fact in what do you believe, Trooper?
I am still waiting to see my arguments toppled and not just brushed away with a Stephen Fry-esque diatribe of words. Talking of which, his interview with the Irish Interviewer was a classic bit of TV, don't you think?
Having seen face to face what people do in the name of religion or what it is supposed to stand for then I pull stumps.
The rock your religion is based on is founded in myth and legend. Who knows in years to come people will accept Jedi as a following or belief...............oh hang on a minute.
We are just sparks of light before a long period of death. Simple. You live, you die. Enjoy living. Don't worry about some weirdo beardo telling you to use the up stairs or down stairs to your imagined nirvana/hell.
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
But you see why somebody like TR would have support by certain sections of the community?

Tubes and buses blown up. 56 people killed.

A British soldier murdered on the streets of London during an attempted decapitation.

7 people killed and 48 injured in the London Bridge attack.

Manchester bombing, 22 killed 59 injured.

Houses of Parliament attack 6 killed and 50 injured.

All committed by Muslim extremists in the name of their god.

And today the Muslim Council of Britain demands for an inquiry into 'Islamophobia' in the Tory party
That makes a change from the Labour Party struggling to hide their ant-Semitism.


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