So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
14 December 2016, 08:05 AM
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which is on the A40 outside RAF Northolt - built as a tribute to Polish pilots flying in RAF squadrons in WW2
presumably "scum" should not be celebrated in that way
14 December 2016, 08:15 AM
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I can't even imagine using that term , broadcast , to describe whole nations / blocks
I suppose the bitterness is wrapped up entirely in his sons job being taken away from in favour of an immigrant .
Don't have a son, but it must be upsetting
I suppose the bitterness is wrapped up entirely in his sons job being taken away from in favour of an immigrant .
Don't have a son, but it must be upsetting
14 December 2016, 08:26 AM
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Sad to say it but in my experience there are an awful lot more like him, compounded in his case by the fact that he's a well educated man and has been around long enough to know better.
Hatred is a cruel master, eats from the inside out.
14 December 2016, 10:28 AM
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Still over a 100 of them in one of the homes locally.... Let alone the cost of the maintenance, food etc!
14 December 2016, 11:16 AM
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the Sikh's, Muslims, Buddhists of India / Pakistan did not fight and die to simply remain under British rule
it caused a bit of friction between Roosevelt and Churchill
The Americans simply did not believe the war was fought so the UK could maintain an empire
14 December 2016, 11:46 AM
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Tell you what lads, (for that is what you are), I've withdrawn from this thread once and am going to do so again now.
I'm just going round in circles with you, and 99% of your arguments are like the Fast Show Politician...Martin 2005 knows him well.
NO-ONE KNOWS what is actually going to happen.
But you remoaners just go on and on and on moaning...no wonder the Aussies refer to UK southerners as Whinging Poms.
Why not embrace what has happened, sit down and make it work, for you, for others, for our kids. Instead of wanting to go back to a status quo that wasn't what the MAJORITY wanted?
WE agitated and got change. You lot want to sit around moaning, spouting vitriol, whining, telling lies, winding folk up, etc and yet you, your surveys, your politicians have actually NO IDEA what is going to happen. You are simply afraid of change, of upsetting your easy, wealthy lives. The world is changing. The lying liberals and the lying left have had their day, made their own bed and must now lie in it.
Bye now. XXXX
I'm just going round in circles with you, and 99% of your arguments are like the Fast Show Politician...Martin 2005 knows him well.
NO-ONE KNOWS what is actually going to happen.
But you remoaners just go on and on and on moaning...no wonder the Aussies refer to UK southerners as Whinging Poms.
Why not embrace what has happened, sit down and make it work, for you, for others, for our kids. Instead of wanting to go back to a status quo that wasn't what the MAJORITY wanted?
WE agitated and got change. You lot want to sit around moaning, spouting vitriol, whining, telling lies, winding folk up, etc and yet you, your surveys, your politicians have actually NO IDEA what is going to happen. You are simply afraid of change, of upsetting your easy, wealthy lives. The world is changing. The lying liberals and the lying left have had their day, made their own bed and must now lie in it.
Bye now. XXXX
And the irony is heavy here; shame we can't just say bye to Brexit that silly old fools (see what I did there
) like you voted for without understanding the implications.I like the world is changing part too; you do know it's never going to change BACK and that's all you lot really voted for...
14 December 2016, 12:27 PM
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And the irony is heavy here; shame we can't just say bye to Brexit that silly old fools (see what I did there ) like you voted for without understanding the implications.
I like the world is changing part too; you do know it's never going to change BACK and that's all you lot really voted for...
) like you voted for without understanding the implications.I like the world is changing part too; you do know it's never going to change BACK and that's all you lot really voted for...
Below is the projected voting percentages by age: it's an indicator of those probably responsible for the 'out' vote; the middle aged and above. But it mostly indicates that the lazy-arsed youth of the country, those making the loudest complaints about the outcome and most likely to be affected long term, didn't even bother to vote.
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
Had a even a small percentage of the missing 64% of 18 - 24 year olds bothered to turn out we would not now be going through the Brexit process. As you sow so shall you reap.
14 December 2016, 01:03 PM
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Wait for the robots to wash and prep your carrots now, before they go on the shelves for you to buy. That's where Brexit is moving us to. I don't think any of you or your kids would like to do that job in some veg farm for the minimum wage.
Then Brexiteers can start a robophobic campaign and blame the robots for stealing their jobs.
Then Brexiteers can start a robophobic campaign and blame the robots for stealing their jobs.
14 December 2016, 01:44 PM
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Wait for the robots to wash and prep your carrots now, before they go on the shelves for you to buy. That's where Brexit is moving us to. I don't think any of you or your kids would like to do that job in some veg farm for the minimum wage.
Then Brexiteers can start a robophobic campaign and blame the robots for stealing their jobs.
Then Brexiteers can start a robophobic campaign and blame the robots for stealing their jobs.
14 December 2016, 01:47 PM
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Below is the projected voting percentages by age: it's an indicator of those probably responsible for the 'out' vote; the middle aged and above. But it mostly indicates that the lazy-arsed youth of the country, those making the loudest complaints about the outcome and most likely to be affected long term, didn't even bother to vote.
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
Had a even a small percentage of the missing 64% of 18 - 24 year olds bothered to turn out we would not now be going through the Brexit process. As you sow so shall you reap.
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
Had a even a small percentage of the missing 64% of 18 - 24 year olds bothered to turn out we would not now be going through the Brexit process. As you sow so shall you reap.
Entirely agree, that same logic can be applied to the remain campaign in general; a bit lazy and a bit arrogant about the result.
I think it's been mentioned earlier in the thread; people who want change vote, people that don't just don't bother...which is also a factor in the voting.
14 December 2016, 02:02 PM
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Yep, and the same applies to the changing of bed-pans and sponge-bathing of all the pro-brexiters over the age of 55 when they hit old-age and need looking after in care-homes. That's when the cold hard truth about the role of immigrants in our labour market is really going to hit home.
Yep!
The ignorance and arrogance of some of such old, sick people as well, though. Many of them would rather see the back of their foreign carers than have their bum cleaned by them. Their own children and own race carers don't give them a fckk, so perhaps they prefer dying than being looked after by a foreigner.
14 December 2016, 02:32 PM
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Below is the projected voting percentages by age: it's an indicator of those probably responsible for the 'out' vote; the middle aged and above. But it mostly indicates that the lazy-arsed youth of the country, those making the loudest complaints about the outcome and most likely to be affected long term, didn't even bother to vote.
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
Had a even a small percentage of the missing 64% of 18 - 24 year olds bothered to turn out we would not now be going through the Brexit process. As you sow so shall you reap.
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
Had a even a small percentage of the missing 64% of 18 - 24 year olds bothered to turn out we would not now be going through the Brexit process. As you sow so shall you reap.
which probably explains why the Brexit campaign were to desperate not to extent the voting registration deadline
Entirely agree, that same logic can be applied to the remain campaign in general; a bit lazy and a bit arrogant about the result.
I think it's been mentioned earlier in the thread; people who want change vote, people that don't just don't bother...which is also a factor in the voting.
I think it's been mentioned earlier in the thread; people who want change vote, people that don't just don't bother...which is also a factor in the voting.
yes agree, - I think we saw that after the vote, with even people who voted Brexit didn't think they were going to win and just did it to make a point
in fact Boris comes to mind on that one
14 December 2016, 02:39 PM
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In my little world the responsibility to engage rests with the elders and educators and trainers - the leadership. If my staff are disinterested in their job, then I shoulder the blame. If when delivering training my delegates are not interacting and learning and developing, then it is the trainer who must be answerable. I'm leading a Bible study this evening and it is absolutely upon me to ensure that I ask for the right words and for wisdom and for the means to inspire the congregation.
I do not see why we (parents, teachers, business leaders etc) and the establishment should blame those who rely upon us. Perhaps we ought to take a look at ourselves when faced with youth disenfranchisement.
I do not see why we (parents, teachers, business leaders etc) and the establishment should blame those who rely upon us. Perhaps we ought to take a look at ourselves when faced with youth disenfranchisement.
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interesting figures and a bit surprising so few 18 - 24 year old voted - although we don't know what way they actually voted, I suppose the presumption is "remain"
which probably explains why the Brexit campaign were to desperate not to extent the voting registration deadline
yes agree, - I think we saw that after the vote, with even people who voted Brexit didn't think they were going to win and just did it to make a point
in fact Boris comes to mind on that one
which probably explains why the Brexit campaign were to desperate not to extent the voting registration deadline
yes agree, - I think we saw that after the vote, with even people who voted Brexit didn't think they were going to win and just did it to make a point
in fact Boris comes to mind on that one
I was one, couldn't believe it when I heard the results...
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Yep!
The ignorance and arrogance of some of such old, sick people as well, though. Many of them would rather see the back of their foreign carers than have their bum cleaned by them. Their own children and own race carers don't give them a fckk, so perhaps they prefer dying than being looked after by a foreigner.
The ignorance and arrogance of some of such old, sick people as well, though. Many of them would rather see the back of their foreign carers than have their bum cleaned by them. Their own children and own race carers don't give them a fckk, so perhaps they prefer dying than being looked after by a foreigner.
No no no no, that's all wrong. See, by leaving the EU they'll get back all those billions, which we can spend on care for the elderly, you know, like before we joined in the 70s. Oh, hang on a minute......
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14 December 2016, 03:25 PM
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In my little world the responsibility to engage rests with the elders and educators and trainers - the leadership. If my staff are disinterested in their job, then I shoulder the blame. If when delivering training my delegates are not interacting and learning and developing, then it is the trainer who must be answerable. I'm leading a Bible study this evening and it is absolutely upon me to ensure that I ask for the right words and for wisdom and for the means to inspire the congregation.
I do not see why we (parents, teachers, business leaders etc) and the establishment should blame those who rely upon us. Perhaps we ought to take a look at ourselves when faced with youth disenfranchisement.
I do not see why we (parents, teachers, business leaders etc) and the establishment should blame those who rely upon us. Perhaps we ought to take a look at ourselves when faced with youth disenfranchisement.
It's rather arrogant of you to imagine that a young person of 18+ would heed your advice or offer of leadership. These are not children but adults; able to make decisions, vote, marry and die in defence of the country. Having been gifted the vote one would hope they had sufficient common sense to use that privilege wisely without requiring input from on older (but probably not wiser) person. Unfortunately current data would suggest otherwise!
14 December 2016, 03:45 PM
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yeah, re the arrogance etc
I'm not sure it was arrogance (but maybe it was), in the months leading up to the whole thing, and I mean in the months leading up to the negotiation etc and the setting of the actual voting date
I sort of assumed once people heard all the facts a remain win was going to be the result
the EU is not perfect, it has pros and cons, but on balance the pros outweigh the cons, and most of the UK problems are because of the UK government not the EU
however, about a month into the actual campaign I suddenly realised it was odds on for a Brexit vote (I think I posted to that effect in the EU referendum poll)
anyway in other news
the "take back control" crew
have taken back control and promptly sold off our National Grid to a consortium of Australian and Qatari investors
As well as Macquarie, (Aussie Bank) the consortium includes Chinese state-owned China Investment Corporation and the Qatar Investment Authority sovereign wealth fund.
Despite the Government’s announcement in September of new checks on foreign takeovers of UK critical infrastructure, it is understood no new rules have yet been put in place and the Government has been supportive of the deal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...1pc-stake-gas/
https://www.theguardian.com/business...macquarie-bank
turns out Turkey's do vote for Christmas
I'm not sure it was arrogance (but maybe it was), in the months leading up to the whole thing, and I mean in the months leading up to the negotiation etc and the setting of the actual voting date
I sort of assumed once people heard all the facts a remain win was going to be the result
the EU is not perfect, it has pros and cons, but on balance the pros outweigh the cons, and most of the UK problems are because of the UK government not the EU
however, about a month into the actual campaign I suddenly realised it was odds on for a Brexit vote (I think I posted to that effect in the EU referendum poll)
anyway in other news
the "take back control" crew
have taken back control and promptly sold off our National Grid to a consortium of Australian and Qatari investors
As well as Macquarie, (Aussie Bank) the consortium includes Chinese state-owned China Investment Corporation and the Qatar Investment Authority sovereign wealth fund.
Despite the Government’s announcement in September of new checks on foreign takeovers of UK critical infrastructure, it is understood no new rules have yet been put in place and the Government has been supportive of the deal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...1pc-stake-gas/
https://www.theguardian.com/business...macquarie-bank
turns out Turkey's do vote for Christmas
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It's rather arrogant of you to imagine that a young person of 18+ would heed your advice or offer of leadership. These are not children but adults; able to make decisions, vote, marry and die in defence of the country. Having been gifted the vote one would hope they had sufficient common sense to use that privilege wisely without requiring input from on older (but probably not wiser) person. Unfortunately current data would suggest otherwise!
14 December 2016, 04:50 PM
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If 64% of my staff were disengaged, I'd be to blame. If 64% of students failed to submit an essay I'd point at their tutor. If 64% of young soldiers turned and ran at the first sign of trouble, I'd look at the CO. If 64% of tonight's congregation are unmoved by the study, then it is me who's quenched the Holy Spirit's flame. Yet, according to you, the 64% of young adults who didn't vote are to blame and responsible for their own disengagement.
Of course they're to blame. These young people are not yours to manipulate and they are entirely responsible for their actions or lack of action. When I was in that age group I did a stack of stuff, including voting, joining the army and getting married. I don't recall once asking for the advice of an older person and I would have strongly resented being offered it.
14 December 2016, 05:52 PM
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It's shocking and surprising that so many 18-24 year olds didn't vote. Ignoring their only chance of being engaged in the political process is down to them, no one else. Also, it's incorrect to assume that most older people voted to leave - I'm in the 55-64 bracket, and not one of my friends and acquaintances who are contemporaries voted leave. I think the breakdown of votes has more to do with location than age. As I've said before, my council ward in Bristol voted 80% remain, and it contains a full cross section of age, employment, class, and income.
It doesn't surprise me though that the very people who get very indignant about the suggestion that they may be xenophobic come out with phrases such as "Eastern European scum".....
It doesn't surprise me though that the very people who get very indignant about the suggestion that they may be xenophobic come out with phrases such as "Eastern European scum".....
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These are the people with less handle/experience than rest the population on the pros and cons I'm surprised the numbers are as high as they are
look at the other end spectrum , even ww2 veterans were pitted against each other
look at the other end spectrum , even ww2 veterans were pitted against each other