dpb

God that looks uncomfortable

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/15/theres...iends-6325003/

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

What's to talk about, Just shows that the UK isn't the player some would have us believe, and to be fair 'Who the fu@k is Taresa May' anyway!!! some old bat that got there by default, who would have voted for her at a general election I think Katie Price AKA Jordan would beat here to number 10 if she became a politician, then the blokes in Brussells would be more interested.

dpb

Prolly feels like scum

Paben

iTrader: (5)

That's typical of your usual ****ty attitude. Whatever those men think of Teresa May that is no way to behave towards a woman and they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

neil-h

What's the fact she's a woman got to do with life?

JTaylor

Sexist.

hodgy0_2

I must admit to feeling a tinge of sympathy, women or not

we have all been there

Paben

iTrader: (5)

I was brought up differently, to treat a woman with respect whatever my true feelings about her might be. If you don't understand that nicety then your upbringing was obviously not the same as mine.

dpb

Should send Alcazar along with

To "explain stuff".

neil-h

I was bought up to treat everyone equally until given reason to do so otherwise. Everyone gets the same level of respect until themselves worthy of more or less. Simples.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

My reply had noting to do with the fact that she is a woman, it was more to do with the fact that she is a nobody on the world/ European stage, much like the Uk has now put it'self in the position of being a nothing on the world stage.

As for the sexest part of my post, it was merely to highlight the fact that even the most abhorrent of female figures would have done better than her at attracting the attention of those around her, more of a statement on society than her.

I'm also of the same school of thought as neil in that respect is earned but generally given freely until otherwise shown to be shown to be the case.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

As I said, you and I were brought up quite differently.

hodgy0_2

there is talk of resurrecting The Royal Yacht Britannia, that'll show em

David Lock

Speak for yourself!!!


d


PS. Did she keep her shoes on

neil-h

Out of idle curiosity, how old are you?

Turbohot

^ ...this sums it up.

TBH I felt more for Cameron when he was looked down upon by Obama at the time he first became the UK PM.

That could be because Obama arrogantly acted on Cameron, whereas with TM, no one is acting or reacting to her; just snubbing her in that situation. Both situations are bad but latter is less painful because it happens all the time in big functions. I see many big shots in large conferences that try to mingle, but then end up looking inside their own armpits at coffee breaks.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Ah yes, the infamous, "What a lightweight" snipe.

Dingdongler

But we do need to wean ourselves off this kind of cheap labour don't we? It's not a long term viable solution to our problems.

Companies and individuals who don't pay their fair share of tax need to be tackled so that we can pay a decent wage for these jobs so that the indigenous population are prepared to take them.

hodgy0_2

but our low wage, short term/agency zero hour wage culture is a very UK thing

I believe zero hour contracts are illegal in most EU countries

Aggressive Tax evasion/avoidance is a UK industry and major export - most of it from British dominated overseas territories

our lack of investment on public services is a UK thing most EU countries spend a bigger % on infrastructure as well - we sell most of ours, ironically to the EU state owned companies

what really has the EU got to do with it - the UK problems are made in the
UK not, on the whole in the EU

dpb

So basically bit of an own goal as far as I can see

Spanish etc already fish in our waters , so do we now let them in legally now , or legally blow them out the water

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7480416.html

dpb

All those little Englanders better start developing penchant for something more exotic than cod , and quickly

Dingdongler

I think you have completely misunderstood me. I never said that we have imported zero hour contracts, low public sector investment or tax evasion from the EU.

A cheap supply of labour from the EU (and non EU) does however depress wage rates in this country, especially for unskilled jobs like carers etc.

People then bemoan the indigenous population for not taking these jobs.

So my point was that the long term answer to the issue is not to just import cheap labour but to try and pay a decent wage for these jobs. And part of the solution for being able to pay a decent wage for these jobs is to tackle corporate greed and tax avoidance.

dpb

Do you really see wages going up for carers say if immigration stopped tomorrow ?!

I cant , I think employers will squeeze every penny out of whoever they employ

place girlfriend works has 50/50 split 'indigenous' v eu /no eu

they all get not far off minimum per hour

I don't know how youre going to force them to pay more

dpb

of course eu/no eu workers are more than likely higher attainers than their uk counterparts

How do you/should you reserve these jobs for the strictly unskilled

Dingdongler

Mate, of course life is not that straight forward ie we stop all immigration and wages suddenly jump up. But we can't deny that supply and demand does have a major impact.

The issue of low wages needs to be tackled and one of the tools to do so is to have some control on the supply.

Dingdongler

Proof of that sweeping generalization please?

hodgy0_2

there is some truth in that - my point though is leaving the EU will NOT be the answer - especially as the main ideological drivers of the Brexit campaign are ultra right wingers, like Farage, Fox, Gove, Davis IDS et al

to think their vision of the UK as a more equal and pluralistic society is plain fantasy, they are delusional idiots peddling a bankrupt neoliberal ideology


I joked a few years ago that one way to tackle the problem (low wages etc) would be to make the UK so **** no one would want to come anyway

that looks like the path we are on

dpb

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6951721.html


maybe theyre lying



far from raising uk wages for uk carers , i suggest the system would just collapse

Dingdongler

Leaving the EU will not be the entire answer, complex issues such as this never have easy answers. However surely you accept that having some control of the supply side of the equation will be part of the answer?

Just because you can't do everything doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything. Big issues are tackled by a series of small steps and the first step must be to deprive corporations of a steady supply of cheap labour.

And I disagree that David Davis is an ultra right winger btw, what do you base that comment on?

hodgy0_2

Okay, yes we have literally 1000's of complex issues, the (thoughtful) politicians are beginning to realise that

I posited just one on this thread - the European Medical Agency, based in the Docklands, in part responsible for our dominance in the biotech industry (high skill high wage jobs) and makes inward investment from other countries like India attractive

Trade deals with other countries will inevitably require agreements on immigration - only the wilfully delusional would not accept that

We have NOT made a small step, sorry that is verging on the delusional too, why, well pretty much everyone is accepting this whole process will take 10 years

10 years on uncertainty - businesses will move to Europe, the banks/financial services are well underway to move whole operations to Paris/Frankfurt

Big corporations will simply move to cheap labour - the UK will not stop 40 years of neo liberal economic claptrap by shooting itself in the foot

David Davis, see through the jaunty smile and kindly old uncle demeanour and he sings from the same hymn-sheet as the rest of the lunatics in charge

There are lots of "small steps" approaches we could take, massive expansion of apprenticeship schemes for example

We could have spent the last 10 years of ultra cheap money for a massive UK wide infrastructure program to make a positive and proactive approach to rebalancing the UK's lopsided economy (regionally and in economic make up)

Instead of being forced to because the City will up stick and move to Europe

But no, its all the EU's fault and we voted to give the lunatics the keys to the asylum

It is going to be a interesting 10 odd years, winners and losers absolutely

The losers will by and large be the same losers as now, only worse - as we get poorer as a nation

Ps I have been posting on our low wage low aspiration zero hour contract flatlining social mobility for the last 8 years on this forum

So I have been aware of the problem before its become fashionable - but leaving the EU is a really bad idea

Just how bad, it will be interesting to see